Helen Hill finally says Ciao ... it's been Fun

[David Hughes]

Good question. I do not know the answer. You must ask an anglicist. The Dutch don't call themselves "Dutch", but "Hollanders". The name "Holland" is several centuries old.

Erik.

To add to what's in the pot, in the 17th century in England references to the "United States" often meant the United States of Holland.

It gets very confusing at times.

But there's a lot of places that we call countries that never existed until recently. There's also a lot of places that don't consider they are part of the main country; Cornwall f'instance, Bavaria perhaps and so on...


Regards, David

 

[David Hughes]

...[Can you imagine Helen coming back to just the last page of this thread and wondering what the hell happened?]

Well, Helen said it had been fun and we are just generating a lot more to tempt her back. Some would call it bait...

Regards, David

 

[peterm1]

To add to what's in the pot, in the 17th century in England references to the "United States" often meant the United States of Holland.

It gets very confusing at times.

But there's a lot of places that we call countries that never existed until recently. There's also a lot of places that don't consider they are part of the main country; Cornwall f'instance, Bavaria perhaps and so on...


Regards, David

"But there's a lot of places that we call countries that never existed until recently. There's also a lot of places that don't consider they are part of the main country; Cornwall f'instance, Bavaria perhaps and so on..."

Scotland?

 

[fireblade]

Scotland?

Fixed 🙂

Untitled by vinny morrissey, on Flickr

 

[peterm1]

Fixed 🙂
Untitled by vinny morrissey, on Flickr

Bannockburn?

 

[David Hughes]

"But there's a lot of places that we call countries that never existed until recently. There's also a lot of places that don't consider they are part of the main country; Cornwall f'instance, Bavaria perhaps and so on..."

Scotland?

Well, it has its own parliament and the laws of England don't apply in Scotland and vice versa...

Regards, David

 

[Dralowid]

So why you asked?

Erik.

I was just wondering if the Dutch were going to have another attempt at invading us. If so please choose a weekend when we are not busy invading France.

 

[jbhthescots]

"But there's a lot of places that we call countries that never existed until recently. There's also a lot of places that don't consider they are part of the main country; Cornwall f'instance, Bavaria perhaps and so on..."

Scotland?

And Scotland was recognised as a country at least a couple of centuries before England was established as a country.

 

[Erik van Straten]

I was just wondering if the Dutch were going to have another attempt at invading us. If so please choose a weekend when we are not busy invading France.

I will inform the authorities about this. I mean, about the weekend. I will not tell them that you are planning to invade France, don't worry about that.

Erik.

 

[Yokosuka Mike]

This is what happens when people have to much of this and not enough of that... things go to hell.

Anyway,


All the best,
Mike

 

[peterm1]

Well, it has its own parliament and the laws of England don't apply in Scotland and vice versa...


Regards, David

So the United Kingdom of England Ireland Scotland and Wales is not so united after all. Of course in some senses it never has been but in relation to the Scots, as I recall it they did vote in a referendum, to remain in the UK though as a demographic, they also voted to remain in the EU when Britain overall voted to leave. 🙂

From Wikipedia: "The UK Government stated that, if a simple majority of the votes cast were in favour of independence, then "Scotland would become an independent country after a process of negotiations". If the majority was against independence, Scotland would continue to be a part of the United Kingdom. Further powers would be devolved to the Scottish Parliament as a result of the Scotland Act 2012." The result was 55.3% against independence and 44.7% voting for it with 84.6% turnout to vote."

So Scotland is still part of Great Britain. Though almost half of its citizens would have it otherwise. Which was the only point I was making.

 

[David Hughes]

So the United Kingdom of England Ireland Scotland and Wales is not so united after all. Of course in some senses it never has been but in relation to the Scots, as I recall it they did vote in a referendum, to remain in the UK though as a demographic, they also voted to remain in the EU when Britain overall voted to leave. 🙂

From Wikipedia: "The UK Government stated that, if a simple majority of the votes cast were in favour of independence, then "Scotland would become an independent country after a process of negotiations". If the majority was against independence, Scotland would continue to be a part of the United Kingdom. Further powers would be devolved to the Scottish Parliament as a result of the Scotland Act 2012." The result was 55.3% against independence and 44.7% voting for it with 84.6% turnout to vote."

So Scotland is still part of Great Britain. Though almost half of its citizens would have it otherwise. Which was the only point I was making.

Where's Wikipedia? I've looked on several maps and atlases but can't find it.
https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/scots-wikipedia-language-articles-native-speaker-mistakes-610689

Scotland is part of GB in the same way that France is part of Europe. So is Wales for that matter and a lot of people living on the English borders with Wales and Scotland found out the hard way, when the virus struck, that they all have separate Govt's and laws, especially about what to do about the virus...

Regards, David

 

[Benjamin Marks]

I would think that anyone would look at the US Covid-19 response and do anything to stay away from a federated governance model for pandemic response. Folly.

 

[BillBingham2]

......So is Wales for that matter and a lot of people living on the English borders with Wales and Scotland found out the hard way, when the virus struck, that they all have separate Govt's and laws, especially about what to do about the virus...


Regards, David

And I thought we here in the States were the only place in the world that hoisted such silly stuff.

It seems like years ago, but I remember our President questioning the accuracy of the numbers of people sick in China. Now many of the citizens he serves are questioning our own numbers. CDC says we don't need to test people until they have symptoms now, you know, that will save a lot of money to pay for the wall.

On the positive side my son brought back my new XE-3 so I can start getting used to her ways. Barrowed it for a weekend and got it back a month and a half later.

B2 (;-<

 

[markjwyatt]

Boy that takes me back! Ahhhhhhhh nostalgia. That darned song still resonates today - a whole generation of Australians grew up on it. Probably the same generation which grew up on vegemite come to think of it.

So glad you liked South Oz. I am an Adelaide boy (Actually grew up in Clare 150 kilometres to the north in its wine country but living in Adelaide for most of my adult life). Sounds as if you travelled to some of the wine areas though maybe not to Clare - most go to the Barossa or the Fleurieu Peninsula just south of Adelaide (or the Adelaide Hills which are also a noted wine district - photo below).
...

I did make it to Barrossa and also McClaren Vale. I mainly stayed in Adelaide. It reminded me of San Diego in the 1970s in terms of environment and life style. Adelaide had great restaurants and you could walk to a lot of places pretty easily.

Since we are telling stories- My first trip was in 2000. My colleague and I arrived, and we had instructions to go to the Grand Apartments. We hop in a taxi, and I said (something like) "Have you heard of the Grand Apartments"? The driver was a typical big and jovial Australian guy. He started laughing, loudly. He looked back at us red-faced, reached over to the front seat, and pulled up a local newspaper with a blaring headline: "Double Murder at Grand Apartments". Yikes. There was a crime scene there. Murder of any type, let alone double and drug related was pretty rare there (and hopefully that is still the case).

 

[retinax]

... So is Wales for that matter and a lot of people living on the English borders with Wales and Scotland found out the hard way, when the virus struck, that they all have separate Govt's and laws, especially about what to do about the virus...

Same between the states in Germany... I think this subsidiarity makes sense, keeping the decision-making about this stuff as local as possible, because the situation is different everywhere.

 

[peterm1]

I did make it to Barrossa and also McClaren Vale. I mainly stayed in Adelaide. It reminded me of San Diego in the 1970s in terms of environment and life style. Adelaide had great restaurants and you could walk to a lot of places pretty easily.

Since we are telling stories- My first trip was in 2000. My colleague and I arrived, and we had instructions to go to the Grand Apartments. We hop in a taxi, and I said (something like) "Have you heard of the Grand Apartments"? The driver was a typical big and jovial Australian guy. He started laughing, loudly. He looked back at us red-faced, reached over to the front seat, and pulled up a local newspaper with a blaring headline: "Double Murder at Grand Apartments". Yikes. There was a crime scene there. Murder of any type, let alone double and drug related was pretty rare there (and hopefully that is still the case).

Yes in sleepy Adelaide that is quite unusual at any time though around this time there were a group of serial killers (highly unusual for it to be a group) who murdered 12 people (in a series of sex and money related murders) and put their bodies in barrels to hide their deaths while emptying their bank accounts. And even before that in the 1970s and 1980s there were a a series not too similar series of sex related killings by another group. The "city of churches" as Adelaide used to be called, has its seamier side as do all cities. Though on the whole it was and still is very peaceful (sometimes to the point of being moribund.) I do not think the Grand Apartments ones were related in any way. When I googled it it turns out the victims were a prostitute and her pimp so it kind of says something about the likely motives.

Say, do you think that when the Grand Apartments got a booking from two people from America they thought they should put on the event to make them feel at home? I am sorry that was entirely in jest (and poor taste) . I just hope you have a good sense of humor. Or at least as one as kinked as us Australians. 😀😀😀

PS Glad you still think fondly of my home town. I am thinking of making a trip to McClaren Vale soon - its been a while what with COVID lockdowns and such and I need an excuse to get out and make some photos somewhere other than my usual haunts.

 

[peterm1]

Where's Wikipedia? I've looked on several maps and atlases but can't find it.

https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/scots-wikipedia-language-articles-native-speaker-mistakes-610689

Scotland is part of GB in the same way that France is part of Europe. So is Wales for that matter and a lot of people living on the English borders with Wales and Scotland found out the hard way, when the virus struck, that they all have separate Govt's and laws, especially about what to do about the virus...


Regards, David

"Where's Wikipedia? I've looked on several maps and atlases but can't find it."

🙂🙂


Wikipedia? I thought it was a small semi independent state with its own council of governance, somewhere in the outer Hebrides. But I could be wrong. 😀

 

[Pál_K]

Where's Wikipedia? I've looked on several maps and atlases but can't find it.
...

Wikipedia is likely a micronation, much like the Kingdom of Talossa:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talossa

It is "one of the earliest micronations — founded in 1979 by then 14-year-old Robert Ben Madison of Milwaukee and at first confined to his bedroom."

Since then, it has expanded.

 

[BillBingham2]

....It is "one of the earliest micronations — founded in 1979 by then 14-year-old Robert Ben Madison of Milwaukee and at first confined to his bedroom."

Since then, it has expanded.

My guess is still looking for it's first female citizen, just a guess.

B2 (;-<