David Hughes
David Hughes
To add to what's in the pot, in the 17th century in England references to the "United States" often meant the United States of Holland.
It gets very confusing at times.
But there's a lot of places that we call countries that never existed until recently. There's also a lot of places that don't consider they are part of the main country; Cornwall f'instance, Bavaria perhaps and so on...
Regards, David
David Hughes
David Hughes
Well, Helen said it had been fun and we are just generating a lot more to tempt her back. Some would call it bait...
Regards, David
peterm1
Veteran
"But there's a lot of places that we call countries that never existed until recently. There's also a lot of places that don't consider they are part of the main country; Cornwall f'instance, Bavaria perhaps and so on..."
Scotland?
fireblade
Vincenzo.
peterm1
Veteran
Bannockburn?
David Hughes
David Hughes
Well, it has its own parliament and the laws of England don't apply in Scotland and vice versa...
Regards, David
Dralowid
Michael
I was just wondering if the Dutch were going to have another attempt at invading us. If so please choose a weekend when we are not busy invading France.
jbhthescots
Well-known
And Scotland was recognised as a country at least a couple of centuries before England was established as a country.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
I will inform the authorities about this. I mean, about the weekend. I will not tell them that you are planning to invade France, don't worry about that.
Erik.
Yokosuka Mike
Abstract Clarity
This is what happens when people have to much of this and not enough of that... things go to hell.
Anyway,
All the best,
Mike
Anyway,
All the best,
Mike
peterm1
Veteran
So the United Kingdom of England Ireland Scotland and Wales is not so united after all. Of course in some senses it never has been but in relation to the Scots, as I recall it they did vote in a referendum, to remain in the UK though as a demographic, they also voted to remain in the EU when Britain overall voted to leave.
From Wikipedia: "The UK Government stated that, if a simple majority of the votes cast were in favour of independence, then "Scotland would become an independent country after a process of negotiations". If the majority was against independence, Scotland would continue to be a part of the United Kingdom. Further powers would be devolved to the Scottish Parliament as a result of the Scotland Act 2012." The result was 55.3% against independence and 44.7% voting for it with 84.6% turnout to vote."
So Scotland is still part of Great Britain. Though almost half of its citizens would have it otherwise. Which was the only point I was making.
David Hughes
David Hughes
So the United Kingdom of England Ireland Scotland and Wales is not so united after all. Of course in some senses it never has been but in relation to the Scots, as I recall it they did vote in a referendum, to remain in the UK though as a demographic, they also voted to remain in the EU when Britain overall voted to leave.
From Wikipedia: "The UK Government stated that, if a simple majority of the votes cast were in favour of independence, then "Scotland would become an independent country after a process of negotiations". If the majority was against independence, Scotland would continue to be a part of the United Kingdom. Further powers would be devolved to the Scottish Parliament as a result of the Scotland Act 2012." The result was 55.3% against independence and 44.7% voting for it with 84.6% turnout to vote."
So Scotland is still part of Great Britain. Though almost half of its citizens would have it otherwise. Which was the only point I was making.
Where's Wikipedia? I've looked on several maps and atlases but can't find it.
https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/scots-wikipedia-language-articles-native-speaker-mistakes-610689
Scotland is part of GB in the same way that France is part of Europe. So is Wales for that matter and a lot of people living on the English borders with Wales and Scotland found out the hard way, when the virus struck, that they all have separate Govt's and laws, especially about what to do about the virus...
Regards, David
Benjamin Marks
Veteran
I would think that anyone would look at the US Covid-19 response and do anything to stay away from a federated governance model for pandemic response. Folly.
BillBingham2
Registered User
And I thought we here in the States were the only place in the world that hoisted such silly stuff.
It seems like years ago, but I remember our President questioning the accuracy of the numbers of people sick in China. Now many of the citizens he serves are questioning our own numbers. CDC says we don't need to test people until they have symptoms now, you know, that will save a lot of money to pay for the wall.
On the positive side my son brought back my new XE-3 so I can start getting used to her ways. Barrowed it for a weekend and got it back a month and a half later.
B2 (;-<
markjwyatt
Well-known
I did make it to Barrossa and also McClaren Vale. I mainly stayed in Adelaide. It reminded me of San Diego in the 1970s in terms of environment and life style. Adelaide had great restaurants and you could walk to a lot of places pretty easily.
Since we are telling stories- My first trip was in 2000. My colleague and I arrived, and we had instructions to go to the Grand Apartments. We hop in a taxi, and I said (something like) "Have you heard of the Grand Apartments"? The driver was a typical big and jovial Australian guy. He started laughing, loudly. He looked back at us red-faced, reached over to the front seat, and pulled up a local newspaper with a blaring headline: "Double Murder at Grand Apartments". Yikes. There was a crime scene there. Murder of any type, let alone double and drug related was pretty rare there (and hopefully that is still the case).
retinax
Well-known
Same between the states in Germany... I think this subsidiarity makes sense, keeping the decision-making about this stuff as local as possible, because the situation is different everywhere.
peterm1
Veteran
Yes in sleepy Adelaide that is quite unusual at any time though around this time there were a group of serial killers (highly unusual for it to be a group) who murdered 12 people (in a series of sex and money related murders) and put their bodies in barrels to hide their deaths while emptying their bank accounts. And even before that in the 1970s and 1980s there were a a series not too similar series of sex related killings by another group. The "city of churches" as Adelaide used to be called, has its seamier side as do all cities. Though on the whole it was and still is very peaceful (sometimes to the point of being moribund.) I do not think the Grand Apartments ones were related in any way. When I googled it it turns out the victims were a prostitute and her pimp so it kind of says something about the likely motives.
Say, do you think that when the Grand Apartments got a booking from two people from America they thought they should put on the event to make them feel at home? I am sorry that was entirely in jest (and poor taste) . I just hope you have a good sense of humor. Or at least as one as kinked as us Australians.
PS Glad you still think fondly of my home town. I am thinking of making a trip to McClaren Vale soon - its been a while what with COVID lockdowns and such and I need an excuse to get out and make some photos somewhere other than my usual haunts.
peterm1
Veteran
"Where's Wikipedia? I've looked on several maps and atlases but can't find it."
Wikipedia? I thought it was a small semi independent state with its own council of governance, somewhere in the outer Hebrides. But I could be wrong.
Pál_K
Cameras. I has it.
Wikipedia is likely a micronation, much like the Kingdom of Talossa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talossa
It is "one of the earliest micronations — founded in 1979 by then 14-year-old Robert Ben Madison of Milwaukee and at first confined to his bedroom."
Since then, it has expanded.