I know Cal personally and I know he doesn't really care about being hip. He's like most 55 year old men... he likes what he likes and f-you if you don't like it.
semi-ambivalent
Little to say
kbg32
neo-romanticist
Doesn't matter what I look like . If I am out with my 4 year old son, I ain't no "hipster". I may be bohemian at best.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
Probably has more to do with their parents letting them use their credit card.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Had long hair since I was a kid; Had my ear peiced back in 1973 when the film "Serpico" first came out, but I no longer wear an ear ring; Been shooting used film cameras since the 70's; been wearing tight clothes and especially tight jeans all my life. First had a motorcycle when I was 15 years old. Owned Jeeps before the SUV craze.
Didn't fall into the housing bubble trap and government manipulation. Sold off my oil stocks when oil first hit $135.00 a barrel, and closed my margin account before oil peaked at $147.00 that very same day. Started to buy hard assets and Leica cameras with the profits during the start of the credit crisis.
One thing is to be a hipster: its another thing to be a wise old man.
Cal
hepcat
Former PH, USN
I'm feeling petulant today.
This is my response to labeling.
Signs
The 5 Man Electrical Band
lyrics as recorded by The Five Man Electrical Band in 1971 and included on
the 1990 compilation album "Made In Canada - Volume Three 1965-1974"
(BMG KCD1-7158)
And the sign said "Long-haired freaky people need not apply"
So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said "You look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you'll do"
So I took off my hat, I said "Imagine that. Huh! Me workin' for you!"
Whoa-oh-oh
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
And the sign said anybody caught trespassin' would be shot on sight
So I jumped on the fence and-a yelled at the house, "Hey! What gives you
the
right?"
"To put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in"
"If God was here he'd tell you to your face, Man, you're some kinda sinner"
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
Now, hey you, mister, can't you read?
You've got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can't even watch, no you can't eat
You ain't supposed to be here
The sign said you got to have a membership card to get inside
Ugh!
------ lead guitar ------
And the sign said, "Everybody welcome. Come in, kneel down and pray"
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn't have a
penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign
I said, "Thank you, Lord, for thinkin' 'bout me. I'm alive and doin' fine."
Wooo!
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Sign
Sign, sign
This is my response to labeling.
Signs
The 5 Man Electrical Band
lyrics as recorded by The Five Man Electrical Band in 1971 and included on
the 1990 compilation album "Made In Canada - Volume Three 1965-1974"
(BMG KCD1-7158)
And the sign said "Long-haired freaky people need not apply"
So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said "You look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you'll do"
So I took off my hat, I said "Imagine that. Huh! Me workin' for you!"
Whoa-oh-oh
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
And the sign said anybody caught trespassin' would be shot on sight
So I jumped on the fence and-a yelled at the house, "Hey! What gives you
the
right?"
"To put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in"
"If God was here he'd tell you to your face, Man, you're some kinda sinner"
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
Now, hey you, mister, can't you read?
You've got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can't even watch, no you can't eat
You ain't supposed to be here
The sign said you got to have a membership card to get inside
Ugh!
------ lead guitar ------
And the sign said, "Everybody welcome. Come in, kneel down and pray"
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn't have a
penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign
I said, "Thank you, Lord, for thinkin' 'bout me. I'm alive and doin' fine."
Wooo!
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Sign
Sign, sign
IEDEI
Well-known
Walk around Williamsburg, Brooklyn and try to engage actual hipsters in conversation. If they talk to you, you're a hipster; if they instantly dismiss you and walk away looking terribly burdened for having had to do so, you're not. Simple.
ha. i live in williamsburg. it's really not that bad. i prefer the people here over other parts of nyc, for sure.....
furthermore, i think the term 'hipster' has been created by people who simply don't understand others and want to generalize them. i'm pretty tired of hearing the word, actually. i don't think i qualify under the criteria of 'hipster'....however i have been called one by people and i don't really care.
bensyverson
Well-known
"Hipster" and "hippie" have so much in common... Both used to dismiss young people out of hand. Now former "hippies" run the world. Food for thought.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Hardly. Look at Cameron, Merkel, Gillard, Zuma, Obama, Berlusconi, Erdogan, Putin... Half the buggers were too young to have been hippies, and several of the rest were too old.
Besides, I don't think you meant 'both'. Hippies were young in the 60s: unlikely to dismiss ourselves.
Love, light & peace,
R.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
At 55 years old some people might say I'm too young to be an old hippy, but to me it really was the culture of the Vietnam War.
Even though the war ended in the early 70's, and I graduated high school in 1976, my generation grew up in the Vietnam Era where we thought we would likely get drafted into the war. The culture back then was if we were going to get killed or maimed anyway why not kill ourselves a little every day. Drugs were rampant and many of us thought we had a little chance of a future, and we lived like we had no tomorrow.
Back in 1974 the lack of future was reinforced by the worst recession since the Great Depression. Now we have a more recent economic collapse that is bigger than what was the biggest collapse since the Depression that happened in the 70's.
Something resonates though with dismissing young people, and that is a good point. Back then young people were treated like fodder.
Cal
Even though the war ended in the early 70's, and I graduated high school in 1976, my generation grew up in the Vietnam Era where we thought we would likely get drafted into the war. The culture back then was if we were going to get killed or maimed anyway why not kill ourselves a little every day. Drugs were rampant and many of us thought we had a little chance of a future, and we lived like we had no tomorrow.
Back in 1974 the lack of future was reinforced by the worst recession since the Great Depression. Now we have a more recent economic collapse that is bigger than what was the biggest collapse since the Depression that happened in the 70's.
Something resonates though with dismissing young people, and that is a good point. Back then young people were treated like fodder.
Cal
hepcat
Former PH, USN
Hmmm... I would question that. Hipster is commonly used as a pejorative addressed by someone toward another who is percieved to be stylish without substance... you can argue what is "hipster" style, and by the posts in this thread, it's all over the map.
The hippies, on the other hand, were kids who adopted a pacifist anti-status-quo, counter-culture political stance, and in so doing created their own culture. There were lots of different kinds of hippies, but what they shared in common was a desire to improve the world. Their methods may have been naive, perhaps even suspect... but change the world they did; politically, socially, and functionally. They may not have seen the change they sought, but it was change nonetheless.
You are right in one respect though. There are folks who are old enough to be of the hippie generation are, in fact, now running the world. Most of those now in leadership positions were never actually hippies. I wonder what things would be like had they actually been hippies once upon a time.
Peace out, man.
roncan
Slow but inefficient
Cal, I didn't mean the comment that you (might) aspireth as a pejorative. I meant it as a positive since I see someone who aspires as admirable. I also didn't mean "no contest" to mean someone won and someone lost or was a loser but that there was just an interesting difference and, literally, no contest.
Sometimes it takes time to get a meaning across.
Originally, a hipster is someone who was "hip" or "hep" and it comes from the argot of the jazz musicians. But words change in their meaning and use over time as they become part of the larger conversation. Eventually their original meaning perseveres but we still have to go through the testing of the word as we use it in different ways.
Not too long ago, impact was a noun. These days it's a verb. Go figure.
Analog vs digital is going to be interesting as analog becomes part of the larger conversation.
Sometimes it takes time to get a meaning across.
Originally, a hipster is someone who was "hip" or "hep" and it comes from the argot of the jazz musicians. But words change in their meaning and use over time as they become part of the larger conversation. Eventually their original meaning perseveres but we still have to go through the testing of the word as we use it in different ways.
Not too long ago, impact was a noun. These days it's a verb. Go figure.
Analog vs digital is going to be interesting as analog becomes part of the larger conversation.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Thank you for your response and adding to this discussion. I kinda knew that your post was not directed at me, but I took the ball and ran with it.
It seems that today young people are getting dismissed because they adopted some of the trends that are decades old that have remained classic and timeless. I hold no monopoly because I was an early adopter, and if I am to be judged I can say in a good way I have been stubborn in keeping my old ways.
BTW I use to be a B&W film die-hard, but Leica made the perfect digital camera for me when they came out with the Monochrom. I'm just an old dog...
Cal
kbg32
neo-romanticist
What is old, is new again.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Wait till they make a digital hobby photographer (surely some robotics company in Japan is fancying this up, to be hired by the robot that's currently for hire to be present instead of you at parties). The analog hobby photographer will be even more antiquated.
Will they put a turned-around baseball cap on the digital hobby photographer?
paulfish4570
Veteran
ain't no hipster, no i ain't.
maybe a hippy redneck ...
maybe a hippy redneck ...
MrFujicaman
Well-known
I think my response to someone calling me a hipster would be that line from an old western movie.."Smile when you call me that stranger"
MrFujicaman
Well-known
You make some good points Cal, and for me you brought back a memory from my senior year-like you I graduated in 1976. I was eating lunch in school and suddenly we got a PA announsment that the draft had just been ended..the whole lunchroom started cheering. And you are SO right about the drugs ! I never did dope myself because every spare buck I got I spent on film, etc. I lost 15 pound my 1st year of high school because I'd spend my lunch money on film !
Lawrence Sheperd
Well-known
I still have my '87 "lime-green frame with yellow stem and pink bars, cables and graphics" Cannondale SM700. People knew you were coming down the trail!