dexdog
Veteran
Roland, that's pretty amazing- not a lot of difference in resolution, but the differences in flare are pretty dramatic. One of those J3s is a real star! Unfortunately, two of my lenses exhibit a lot of flare, which is surprising, given that both are nice and clean from recent overhauls.
raid
Dad Photographer
Mark,
Flare in such a set-up may not be just due to internal haze. Maybe a lens element is not perfectly alligned. Is this a possibility? My collapsible Summicron has been cleaned, but it shows flare.
Regretably, it is my J3 that last time showed a lot of flare. Brian cleaned it, but maybe there are wipe marks. It is a sharp lens though.
With a lens hood, and in most light situations, my "flaring J3" will do fine.
Flare in such a set-up may not be just due to internal haze. Maybe a lens element is not perfectly alligned. Is this a possibility? My collapsible Summicron has been cleaned, but it shows flare.
Regretably, it is my J3 that last time showed a lot of flare. Brian cleaned it, but maybe there are wipe marks. It is a sharp lens though.
With a lens hood, and in most light situations, my "flaring J3" will do fine.
ferider
Veteran
Hmm. I was also struck by the differences.
Raid, what would you say the exposure time was ?
Thanks,
Roland.
Raid, what would you say the exposure time was ?
Thanks,
Roland.
raid
Dad Photographer
Hmm. I was also struck by the differences.
Raid, what would you say the exposure time was ?
Thanks,
Roland.
Roland,
At 1.4/1.5 it was 1/30.
raid
Dad Photographer
Roger Hicks says that overexposure can result in what appears as less sharpness.
In a situation with artificial light, all lenses got the same treatment. There should be no wrong exposures.
In a situation with artificial light, all lenses got the same treatment. There should be no wrong exposures.
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ferider
Veteran
Over/underexposure can change color film dramatically.
The lamp seems to be a "cold" (energy saving) bulb (i.e. fast).
Could it be that we sampled the 60 HZ power frequency differently ?
I hate to ask you this, Raid: would you mind redoing the test on a few of the "bad" lenses with slower film/shutter speeds ?
Roland.
The lamp seems to be a "cold" (energy saving) bulb (i.e. fast).
Could it be that we sampled the 60 HZ power frequency differently ?
I hate to ask you this, Raid: would you mind redoing the test on a few of the "bad" lenses with slower film/shutter speeds ?
Roland.
raid
Dad Photographer
Over/underexposure can change color film dramatically.
The lamp seems to be a "cold" (energy saving) bulb (i.e. fast).
Could it be that we sampled the 60 HZ power frequency differently ?
I hate to ask you this, Raid: would you mind redoing the test on a few of the "bad" lenses with slower film/shutter speeds ?
Roland.
Roland,
What do you mean by "sampling the 60 HZ power frequency differently"? [I think, I know what you mean]
All lenses were subjected to the same light.
What is "sampling" here?
In earlier tests last year, I used a standard light bulb.
The light bulb is an energy saving one.
Please email me a list with specific lenses and exposure settings, and I will redo a test on the weekend. This is not a problem.
Team work is always fun.
At one stage, the lenses must be returned [sadly enough].
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ferider
Veteran
Just the ones that flare really badly above (like Mark's Jupiters and the Nikkor T) and a reference lens, like the Opton and/or C-Sonnar please. Wide open, and at 1/15th or 1/8th or so. The slower the better, on a tripod if possible.
Thanks,
Roland.
PS: what I mean is: the bulb goes bright and dark with the AC frequency. There could be interference between shutter and AC frequency if your shutter was fast enough.
Thanks,
Roland.
PS: what I mean is: the bulb goes bright and dark with the AC frequency. There could be interference between shutter and AC frequency if your shutter was fast enough.
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raid
Dad Photographer
Will do, Roland. Naema Problema, as they say.
raid
Dad Photographer
Do you want me to use a regular bulb instead to avoid such a possible problem?
ferider
Veteran
Let's just see if it matters, Raid. I'm not sure at all. Thanks for supporting this request.
Roland.
PS: I love candles
Roland.
PS: I love candles
dexdog
Veteran
Just the ones that flare really badly above (like Mark's Jupiters and the Nikkor T) and a reference lens, like the Opton and/or C-Sonnar please. Wide open, and at 1/15th or 1/8th or so.
Roland, I do not have a Jupiter in the test, but a CZJ and a Nikkor. I wouldn't mind having J-3 number 63, though.
ferider
Veteran
Roland, I do not have a Jupiter in the test, but a CZJ and a Nikkor. I wouldn't mind having J-3 number 63, though.
The CZJ an R-Sonnar by any chance ?
Cheers,
Roland.
dexdog
Veteran
The CZJ an R-Sonnar by any chance ?
Cheers,
Roland.
Of course. It is a pretty good lens, as long as one doesn't use it to photograph light bulbs. Also, I usually use a hood on old lenses.
ferider
Veteran
Of course. It is a pretty good lens, as long as one doesn't use it to photograph light bulbs. Also, I usually use a hood on old lenses.
Just read post #33. Let's see what Raid comes back with. Raid, please do include the R-Sonnar as well in your slow speed test.
Thanks !
Roland.
raid
Dad Photographer
Roland, I do not have a Jupiter in the test, but a CZJ and a Nikkor. I wouldn't mind having J-3 number 63, though.
The 63 J3 is a Contax mount 1956 early ZOMZ made lens. William is the lucky owner.
raid
Dad Photographer
Of course. It is a pretty good lens, as long as one doesn't use it to photograph light bulbs. Also, I usually use a hood on old lenses.
This is an important point, Mark. How often do we shoot at a bare light bulb and without a hood? "Light Bulb Photography" is not too popular!
raid
Dad Photographer
Just read post #33. Let's see what Raid comes back with. Raid, please do include the R-Sonnar as well in your slow speed test.
Thanks !
Roland.
Roland,
What is an R-Sonnar? What does the letter R stand for?
raid
Dad Photographer
Let's just see if it matters, Raid. I'm not sure at all. Thanks for supporting this request.
Roland.
PS: I love candles![]()
I will have a super duper light extravaganza test with a candle and two other light sources that will confuse the heck out of these poor, old lenses that have never hurt a human being!
W
wlewisiii
Guest
The 63 J3 is a Contax mount 1956 early ZOMZ made lens. William is the lucky owner.
Just getting caught up on the thread & have to agree that those images look good. It was $80 from Alex-Photo, IIRC, and it keeps me from looking too hard for a cheap CZJ.
It's interesting to see how it compares to several really more famous lenses.
Thanks for all of this Raid & Rolland.
William
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