Interesting opinions about RFF

James Brannan said:
Actually they are complaining about Pete. He was complaining about the complaints made concerning the other complaints (other place) about the original complaints which leads us to this post of yours which is (my opinion) actually a 4th or 5th party complaint to which I must now make a 5th or 6th party complaint myself unless your comment was indeed an actual comment (or question?) and not a subtle complaint concerning possibly the complaints of the 3rd and 5th party complaints simulataneously.

If I heard you right.....

They are complaining about Pete, who complained about others who were complaining about Cweeks complaints about the complaints they made to his pdf? Then with my complaint about thier complaints about Pete complaints, I think that makes me the 6th party complainer.

Is it only me after re-reading that "complaint" just sounds like jumble and not a word at all. 🙂 🙂 😉

sorry board at work trying to kill time.
 
cking said:
sorry board at work trying to kill time.

I find it interesting that people can't seem to spell these days.
And it's not from typing too fast or using internet-lingo - but it's really simple words like site, write and bored that becomes 'sight', 'wright' and 'board' (just a few examples) that shows that some people maybe don't even understand that these are different words with different meanings.

(Not to slam you cking. Your post just triggered the thought).
 
wintoid said:
I tried to read the PDF but it was peppered with expletives. Expletives used as adjectives just leave me bemused.

Uh, let's see, how do I put this? How do I put this without getting my gallery totally skewered? (I really don't care about that, I didn't take those photos for him!) 🙂

Your comment here keyed me in to something I couldn't put my finger on yesterday when I read that article. ...

The use of profanity, in particular the "f-word" used liberally as almost any part of speech, is quite trendy among bloggers ...

... and that's what this article really is -- a blog. It's certainly not a technical treatise, or an article befitting a scholarly art journal, it's a blog.

Actually, kind of a blog in reverse, with the comments in the form of all of those forwards [sic] in the front.

(digression)
The author (and contributors) does come off as being intelligent and intellectual. How could something like that, a glaring error that any proofreader would catch upon an initial skim, make it past all who read it prior to publishing and attached to it their accolades?

I guess mediocrity in communication is now the way of the world. 🙁 We have a President who can't pronounce "nuclear" and we had a Vice-president who couldn't spell "potato", so I guess the example is set. 🙁 Oh well ...
(/digression)

It's as if something powerful is trying to be expressed but the writer just can't get it out.

Unfortunately he's probably a much better photographer than he is a communicator. I also think he still has a lot of growing up to do.

The tone of the article is most definitely from the perspective of being mounted upon a high horse, talking down to the Great Unwashed Masses (that's us, gang).

The thing is, I enjoyed the article. I just had to filter out the attitude. Couldn't that have been done before posting?
 
Good point Rich....I think most of us realize when English is not the writer's first language, but it's obvious that this is often not the case.
The younger generation seems to lack the ability (or the desire) to take the time to compose and correct.....and celebrate using as limited a vocabulary as possible, salted with profanity and slang. What a shame, as although the English language is not the most beautiful, with it's huge amount of borrowed words from Latin, Germanic, Greek and French it allows for the most intricate expression.
They don't understand that there are those of us in positions of power that see this kind of limited vocabulary and lack of regard for common English spelling and grammar as a sure sign of lack of intelligence (or at least education). I find it difficult to take anyone seriously who can't spell.
This dumbing down of language reminds me of Orwell, and it's 'double plus ungood'.
 
Rich Silfver said:
I find it interesting that people can't seem to spell these days.
And it's not from typing too fast or using internet-lingo - but it's really simple words like site, write and bored that becomes 'sight', 'wright' and 'board' (just a few examples) that shows that some people maybe don't even understand that these are different words with different meanings.

But there is hope 🙂 - http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=42401&limit=recent

Cheers, Ian






"Lerve is the Awncer"
 
Wait wait wait... is that guy's blog on BEHALF of someone else? It reads like he's defending an idol.

Anyways, I see a lot of pro's, and they may get the best opportunities, photo celebs, and they may well have worked for it, but I've seen some amazing photo's from amateurs that define more distinct styles than the "pro's"
 
Oh I'd like to add, in my bestest Egnlisch, that I pride myself on possessing the capability to construct a half decent sentence. That said, I can easily interpret 1337-speak, chav, txt, and what we should call 'new english slang'. Mb cos Im yong, its nt hard.
 
Rich Silfver said:
I find it interesting that people can't seem to spell these days.
Just a thought in order to spice up the discusion about good spelling: maybe it started when American people started to write "draft" instead of "draught" and "jail" instead of "gaol".
JUST kIDDING!!! 😀

To be serious a second, we have the same problem here in France, and it is worse as French spelling and grammar are more complex (last term, I had several students whose essay I could not understand at all, because of crazy syntax). As far as I know the situation in Germany, it is worse than in France. Ignorance is a bottomless pit 🙄
Marc
 
Just out of curiosity, but is this turning into a forum where people who make spelling mistakes are to be treated as meaningless non-entities? I don't necessarily agree with someone who uses shortcuts in their writing, but doesn't that sort of thing happen on this forum everyday, sometimes by those who are belittling those who do the very same thing? "GAS" anyone? I guess the moderators will have a new job, handing out notices to all who use improper sentence structure, or god forbid, improper punctuation. That one might just be punishable by banishment, isn't it?

Yes, cweeks posted comments about individuals on this site, with links to their respective galleries on his blog. Last time I checked, a few posters here, went on over to his blog and left comments. Is it not expected that maybe a few of his readers may come over here and make attempts to defend him? It is dialogue amongst two groups, who may just be of different generations, where standards of communication may be a little different amongst each group's respective peer set. What's acceptable to most here on RFF, may not be acceptable to others, and vice-versa.

While some may be dismissive of those who do not spell correctly, amongst my peers, it would be nonsense to do such a thing. We all come from varied backgrounds, be they religious, educational, ethnic, linguistic or economical. If someone doesn't know how to spell something, we let them know how, we don't tell them they are stupid, and unwanted. Should I say to every american poster that I cannot take them seriously for not knowing the correct spelling of colour?

Why are people not able to accept that communication is just that, no more, no less? So long as the idea has been communicated to the person, then the goal of communication has been completed. If we are after only a certain target audience, let us say with a certain educational level, then maybe I am no longer welcome here. I have no diplomas to prove I have a college education, should I sign off and not come back?

In my life, I have met people who have not learned how to read, to not speak with them because of that would make me lesser of a person. To dismiss others merely because they lack something that you feel they should have, is vile. That leads to discrimination on all levels and that is something that should be strongly fought against, lest we descend into previous low levels of decency this world has seen in the past.

I'll now tell you a few things about me, so that those who feel like I am not one of them can either ignore me, of move to have me removed for RFF altogether.

I am:
a factory worker who worked a lot of overtime to buy the things he has, not for the wanting of it, but because my hands are getting damaged on the job and I can no longer hold the wait of my Minolta system in my hands, but also holds no bitterness or envy to those who can afford to buy whatever they want, whenever they want

an atheist, while I can also at the same time find respect for any and all people who have their chosen beliefs, and not feel the need to let them know that I feel they are immoral, and going to hell for being whatever

have piercings in my face

shave my head every other day, so very convenient

prefer my jewelry to be made of stainless steel and brass, who feels that too many people have been murdered and mutilated for the over-inflation of common metal and gems such as gold and diamonds

who no matter how hard anyone tries will never agree with the argument that capitalism is the best way of going about our daily lives (see above), but at the same time cannot think of any way, no matter how perfect that isn't corruptible by insignificant monkeys

This isn't meant to start an argument, it is something that, after reading a few posts in this thread, I felt I had to get off my chest. That's it.
 
JoeFriday said:
likewise, being a decent photographer (altho I admit I didn't bother to check his photos) doesn't override being an ass

Yes it does.

Much rather talk to an ass who takes great photos than a mellow guy who takes mediocre photos.

I can't really think of any good artists who had the reputation of being completely nice guys, because good artists, almost by definition, insist on doing their own thing; most people have a hard time with that. I'm not excusing Weeks, by the way -- I'm just saying that since **I** don't have to live with him, or read anything he writes, and nobody MAKES me listen to him or look at his photographs, then I don't mind if he's a jerk.

But I do like to look at his photographs.

Although, if CWeeks is reading this, it seems to me that you usually stand a little bit too far back.

JC
 
quote: "inteligence is not based on how one can spell - is it not?"


No, of course not. It is closely related to the use of proper grammar. 🙂

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

Next thing you know, folks will start writing without using capital letters! 🙂

Lighten up, and let it go. It's just a tempest in a teapot.
 
Oh come on......would you say words like "ain't" and "you's" in a job interview? Why not?
First impressions are everything. Failure to communicate and express yourself properly indicates a lack of intelligence or education, or at best laziness and a lack of respect for the listener/reader.
I think most people respect and admire someone who has the nerve to communcate in a second language, and that would never be held against them (it might even be in their favour).
Contractions (ASAP etc.) are fine....we're all busy AFAIC. Everyone makes mistakes.....but comincatin in presko0l giberish is disgusten and imatoor. Groe upp.
 
dadsm3 said:
I think most people respect and admire someone who has the nerve to communcate in a second language, and that would never be held against them (it might even be in their favour).

As a non-native English speaker, I really find this concept interesting, especially when someone compliments me on my grammar, my command of the English language, or God-forbid, my lack of an "accent."

What many need to realize is that most people speaking English as a second language have already mastered at least one other language. That includes grammar AND spelling. 😉

As you said, language is a reflection of intelligence and education. As such, I wish English speakers would realize that people who have the nerve to communicate in a second, third, or fourth language are, more often than not, the more intelligent half of the conversing pair.

Edit: I forgot the smilie. 🙂
 
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Holy Schmoley (did I spell it right?) !!!

I noticed this entry earlier today and didn't have a chance to contribute. Now that it's what, 5 pages long (?) , I only glanced at the last page -n- 1/2, and didn't bother to keep up. Here's my brief 2 pennies:

I'm glad I read the article... Part of the reason I "went" to a RF is the sponteneity (grrr, how do I spell that, nothing looks correct) of the format/handling. Small, great & fast glass, etc. I read the article yesterday, and took from it "screw it, take your camera everywhere". Seems easy to say when you live "in the city" and opp's seem endless. I've seen the advise previously, and it's damn easy to discount. I'm too socially "conscious" of myself to boot. Last night I took the 'relatively new' camera (Canon P, 50mm) to pick up the Chinese take-out with my 5 y.o. son (great distractor, folks!). I may have gotten a worthwhile shot, or maybe not... I had DREAMS about taking pictures (yeah, pathetic, - though not all that unusual particularly before a vacation or big photo event- how 'bout you? Sounds like a good post.). Anyhow, I took the camera to the mall today, despite further misgivings and simply decided there's no good reason NOT to bring it along.. It really IS too easy to "write it off" in advance - that I won't see anything interesting to shoot, look like a dork, etc.. And yeah, these are MY things to work on. Like I said, I'm definately too socially conscious. OK, now I'm just rambling......

Point being: The article served it's purpose - as I *think* it was at least partially intended. Bring the camera ! I now have 2 rolls of film to develop that otherwise wouldn't exist, and likely all but 2 shots suck. But I won't know til the film gets souped, and I'll likely dream about those tonight.

I've certainly begun to appreciate how damn fast things happen when large #'s of people are around, and anticipating the 'moment' feel's damn near impossible!!! This is gonna be fun. Have an outing tomorrow already scheduled.

There are valid arguements on both side of the isle here. I'll be in the darkroom while everything else settles out.

PS = "tossers" cracks me up...
 
I agree Ray, and I have little respect for people who fail to realize how difficult it is to communcate effectively in a language other than their native tongue. Coming from a supposedly bi-lingual country like Canada my French is nothing short of embarrassing. When I see how well people can communicate in English as a second language it's the reason why I find it so insulting when people fail to communicate properly in the language they were born with.
Just laziness.....or worse.
 
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