I've noticed an imbalance on RFF

[Beniliam]

I was tired last night and felt like saying something.

This feeling comes from before, not since yesterday at night. I am convinced George.

Try flickr for that. Not gonna find it here. RFF = gear talk. Flickr = image viewing.

Its a great pity that one must put our photos elsewhere because here value another things before. I thought that the gallery was an important section, I have many comments and photos... I lost my time ?

🙂

 

[raid]

This feeling comes from before, not since yesterday at night. I am convinced George.




Its a great pity that one must put our photos elsewhere because here value another things before. I thought that the gallery was an important section, I have many comments and photos... I lost my time ?

🙂

Beniliam: Don't give up on the RFF. Let's all revive our Gallery here, and let's post photos each week and also comment on the photos of other RFF members.

Regards,
Raid

 

[BudGreen]

Its a great pity that one must put our photos elsewhere because here value another things before. I thought that the gallery was an important section, I have many comments and photos... I lost my time ?

🙂

I can assure that your posts in the RFF gallery are important. I look at the gallery everyday. Getting comments on my own work is encouraging, and commenting on others' work sharpens my critical skills. I can only speak for myself, but if it wasn't for the gallery, I wouldn't have joined this site.

 

[bmattock]

Everyone who posts in the Gallery should have an eye poked out. Look at those photos, lose the other eye.

Kind of like poets who insist on reading their poetry at you, or mimes, just for being mimes.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[raid]

Bill: I am not sure whether I want any of my eyes poked out. I commiited the ultimate sin today and I posted some photos in the Gallery. I also commented (critiqued) on several photos by one photographer.

Regards,
Raid

 

[bmattock]

Bill: I am not sure whether I want any of my eyes poked out. I commiited the ultimate sin today and I posted some photos in the Gallery. I also commented (critiqued) on several photos by one photographer.

Regards,
Raid

Terrible thing you've done. Horrible. Well, you think about what you've done, Mister.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[nico]

Everyone who posts in the Gallery should have an eye poked out. Look at those photos, lose the other eye.

Kind of like poets who insist on reading their poetry at you, or mimes, just for being mimes.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Maybe you're right Bill, but is RFF for advanced photogs or even for the beginners (I know, I belong to the ones that poke out your eye 😉 the eye is not blinked ...is poked 🙂 ) who learn from looking at other members' galleries and post their photos to receive a comment in order to understand what's wrong or right?
Just my 2cent about gallery...
bye
Nico

 

[Beniliam]

I dont understand this phrase.

Kind of like poets who insist on reading their poetry at you, or mimes, just for being mimes.

 

[Socke]

I dont understand this phrase.

Vogons! He's talking about Vogons :angel:

 

[Socke]

If I were wanting constructive criticism on my pics. I'd directly ask a photog that I considered very good, and of the style and vision I wished to emulate.
Posting them to a willy nilly forum, won't produce a consistent basis for improvement.

Emulating somebody else doesn't sound too creative, I'd call it inspired by somebody else 😉


But the feedback on pictures by others is a way to reflect on what you do. If you change your way of doing something is a totaly different story.

 

[nico]

If I were wanting constructive criticism on my pics. I'd directly ask a photog that I considered very good, and of the style and vision I wished to emulate.
Posting them to a willy nilly forum, won't produce a consistent basis for improvement.

..touchè 🙂 ... I cannot say you're not right but, talking for myself, has been easier find something interesting on RFF than in my town. Maybe I should became a member of some local photoclub.
Bye
Nico

 

[wtl]

If I were wanting constructive criticism on my pics. I'd directly ask a photog that I considered very good, and of the style and vision I wished to emulate.
Posting them to a willy nilly forum, won't produce a consistent basis for improvement.

what a false statement. most good photogs are generally terrible in critiquing photos even to their own stuff. eugene smith was fired from Time because he insisted editing his own stuff. and anyone seen the book he edited himself?

most photogs do not take the title of photo editor or photo critique.

if we are not here to point out what's right and wrong of other's stuff, why are we here? learning what?

oh, yeah, i forgot we are here to talk about gears, endlessly, repeatly, more the better...my bad.

 

[wtl]

I dont understand this phrase.

i like poems. equally to good photos. please read me some more.

 

[nico]

Emulating somebody else doesn't sound too creative, I'd call it inspired by somebody else 😉


But the feedback on pictures by others is a way to reflect on what you do. If you change your way of doing something is a totaly different story.

That's an interesting point. I played (well, I still do...) in a band and we played and still play "covers" from others band and it may seems not creative but is usefull, very usefull, for learning. This way you can understand what someone, with more experience and talent did and improve your skill till you reach a point when you start to fly with your wings (well Volker I must admit that I think to myself as a pidgeon not as an eagle...). Anyway, all this to say that I'd like to do something similar with photography, see what other people (professional or not) do and try to do something similar in order to understand the way they work. Then I can have a feedback in the gallery with comments or also the number of the views. Surely greyhoundman is right: a personal contact with a good photog can make everything easier ... but at the moment RFF is the best place for me to learn something even about gears (I also bought my bessa from a member!)
Bye
Nico

 

[wtl]

wtl,
Thank you for reminding me why I have been away.

I am also trying to remind myself what needs to be done. 🙂

 

[MelanieC]

The local photo club here (the one that meets less than a mile from where I live) is nearly all-digital. I signed off the email list after someone posted something along the lines of "the only people still interested in film are the same kinds of people who like horses and buggies."

I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinions but after I read that I realized there would be no place for me there. Also, at the one meeting I attended, nearly everyone treated me as though my cameras were charming anachronisms (as in, "Hey, look at these funny old cameras!"). Since the reason I went in the first place was to get advice and help from people who knew more than I did, I was a bit disappointed. They were all perfectly friendly but I felt like maybe I'd be better served somewhere else.

I don't know. I like it here. I spend a good deal of time in the gallery but don't feel qualified to comment on anything beyond "I love this photo" or something like that. I don't think there needs to be a dichotomy between "art" and "equipment" since photography as a hobby involves both and people tend to enjoy both aspects. I think the best way to foster more discussion of the art might be to start more rather than having a metadiscussion.

 

[Beniliam]

I'd directly ask a photog that I considered very good, and of the style and vision I wished to emulate.
Posting them to a willy nilly forum, won't produce a consistent basis for improvement.

Its not true 100%. There are one anecdote whose protagonists were Doisneau and Cartier Bresson. A person came to show his work to Cartier Bresson, and he thundered against with few words. Doisneau then said to Cartier Bresson, that he could be a good critic, but that he was a bad diplomatic.

In a forum like this there are many levels, tastes differents of photography. Go with one photograph that you like dont guarantee that he can criticizes your photos with certainty ...

 

[Socke]

Emulate was not the best word. But in over 100 years of photography...what is new?

That's the problem! At the moment I shoot a lot in the hope that the pictures turn out like some I've seen here and elsewhere. More or less urban landscapes and industrial sites.

I'm pretty sure I'm not too talented and thus try hard to learn technique so I can shoot a perfect boring picture instead of a crappy boring picture.

Sometimes I do things exactly the opposite way as comon wisdom comands. Like shooting a bicycle race with a rangefinder and standard lens instead of a long tele on a (digital) SLR.
Or shooting scenes calling for huge dynamic range or fill flash on slide film, braket, scan and combine in photoshop.

Or things where I just know that it can't work and get intersting pictures like what I have in this W/NW thread

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22595

A friend had a good idea lately but was interrupted by the police. He set up his camera on a tripod in front of a derelict warehous at night, set it to bulb and ran through the building flashing a Metz 60CT5.

I stood guard over the camera and had to explain to the police what's happening there 🙂
We got away with an adminition not to trespass on private property again, especialy when the building is at risk to collapse anytime soon.

Another day I walked around our train station and may not have seen some no trespassing signs when I end up at a rail which didn't show any use and I crossed the rails to get a perspective and composition which might be interesting when a guard saw me.

So, at least I have fun as an outlaw photographer 😉

 

[Silva Lining]

Kind of like poets who insist on reading their poetry at you, or mimes, just for being mimes.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Mimes, huh. Trying to think when I last saw a mime. Long time ago. Hopefully they are all trapped in invisible glass boxes somewhere.

I'm not sure that all this navel-gazing is good for us. I just enjoy RFF for what it is. I don't read threads about things that don't intrest me like admiring super smashing lens hoods or anything to do with Nikons, but enjoy chatting/reading about technical bits of Voigtlanders and lenses. I also like the gallery and seeing others photos as they inspire me.

 

[Beniliam]

Wtl, thanks for help to know the meaning.

Bill, I did not understand your phrase.

Emulate was not the best word. But in over 100 years of photography...what is new?

And in Literature, Paint, Sculpture ... that they are older arts.

In these days Madrid receives an exhibition of Picasso in the Prado Museum and Reina Sofia Museum. Picasso tried to imitate to the classics. Honestly I dont like much the paints of Picasso, but he tried to evolve in his art. There is great controversy because they have placed pictures of Picasso next to the great works of Velazquez, El Greco, Goya, Tiziano in the Prado Museum...

Almost always that I do photos invade me the desolation. I feel incapable to make something good, new, better, pure… and I said me: Why? Why do you make photos? if you are incapable to innovate, if you are incapable to make photos better, if you are incapable of… I never have answer. I only know that invades me a great feeling when I make photos... I finish very tired, full of nerves, slope of everything, I want to catch everything… but I cannot. I am lukewarmly happy when I am walk with the camera outside, I know that all it is invented ... but... ( In the XIX century, somebody related to the patents of inventions, said that they were not going away to invent no invention more, it was impossible, was everything invented... 🙂 ) Although invades me the disappointment almost always, I think that still it is left some photo to do that one has not become, our still can... can.

Pardon by the sadness.