icamp
Member
Adox is to release APX100/400 this year , Adox pan 100/400 for info in german see their website.
Great news for B&W film users.
Great news for B&W film users.
Dave Wilkinson
Veteran
So - what are you trying to say here?
Taken with Lecia M7 and 15 Voit on XP2
I like the funky colors and wacky saturation you get from cross processing E6/C41 but I get its not everyones cup of tea.
This one was taken with the Lecia M6 and 50 1.0 Noctilux @ F8/11 on XP2
x-ray
Veteran
Thanks for the info. I had forgotten who was picking up production. Also Adox is producing a remake of the classic Agfa 111 FB paper now. I recently purchased some and love the look. It's Adox MC110.
I've used Adox products when available since the 60's. They still make a number of the classic emulsions from the 40-60's plus have improved on some and have introduced them as well.
Don't discount the possibility of these smaller manufactures picking up products from some of the dead and dying companies. Our film consumption is big business for these smaller companies.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
"Freestyle Photographic Supplies is selling Kodak tri x under their own brand, and they have no intention of stopping,an excellent company."
Why do you suppose Kodak is dumping Tri-X through freestyle for less than Kodak's retail?
Why do you suppose Kodak is dumping Tri-X through freestyle for less than Kodak's retail?
dfoo
Well-known
Because its worth their while to do so?
DerekF
Established
By not officially acknowledging that Kodak's their supplier, it doesn't dilute the Kodak brand and can only increase their sales as an additional revenue stream. That is a good thing for any company, especially one that's struggling as Kodak seems to be.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
Or they are trying to unload the stockpiled film they have in the caves. Wonder if they are actually making Tri-X anymore?
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Freestyle sells film under thier name from Kodak, Fuji, and Foma. They used to sell some from AGFA and Forte before those two companies closed up. Ilford's the only one who hasnt had their film under Freestyle's brand.
x-ray
Veteran
They also sell Acros 100 and Neopan 400 Fuji under the Legacy name. Under the Arista EDU name they sell Foma.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
Hey, I didn't say that!
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
So - what are you trying to say here?
Wow, do you have to take yourself *that* seriously to join this thread?
The guy just posted some of his pictures (nice ones, I might add). He loves film, the message is simple.
Relax
Speaking of the thread, a lot of talk about "demands." I think one key element of generating demands is by educating the younger generation (yep, that's my favorite bit).
If you and I did a good job showing young people what are the options aside from digital, they will respond if film has anything left to offer at all (translation: they are not stupid).
Give them a chance to make the choice.
Quoting statistics and news about the demise of film won't do film any good. Spread the word.
apconan
-
^^ The people who are opposing the random posting of photos are in the right.
They are totally irrelevant, and without rules and structure, internet forums would be chaos. There is a reason everything is divided into different sections and topics.
On-topic: Until a major publication says that Kodak will go bankrupt, I will continue to believe they will survive. Besides, other companies will fill the gap, at least for a few years.
They are totally irrelevant, and without rules and structure, internet forums would be chaos. There is a reason everything is divided into different sections and topics.
On-topic: Until a major publication says that Kodak will go bankrupt, I will continue to believe they will survive. Besides, other companies will fill the gap, at least for a few years.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
Well, it doesn't take much of a prognosticator to see that Kodak is in serious trouble. Just look at their financials.
DerekF
Established
Does it matter? It's available today. Use it.
MartinP
Veteran
Hah, black-and-white film has been dead for years. Ever since that new-fangled colour stuff came out . . . errrrmm ?
Amusingly, regarding Ilford, and to a some extent Foma etc (less future-proof because they are smaller with older factories etc) they have not been so drastically affected by the fall-off in colour film revenue because they didn't make colour-film. Fairly simple. And yes, I do remember that there was an Ilfocolour film within the last thirty years - but that was made by Konica.
Amusingly, regarding Ilford, and to a some extent Foma etc (less future-proof because they are smaller with older factories etc) they have not been so drastically affected by the fall-off in colour film revenue because they didn't make colour-film. Fairly simple. And yes, I do remember that there was an Ilfocolour film within the last thirty years - but that was made by Konica.
Olsen
Well-known
Thank you, for the link! Very good! I have already ordered the book.
Back home here in Norway, I have warned, for a long time, that these Private Equity firms will destroy our economy too. There is hardly a company within the small (soon tiny) industrial sector here in Norway that is not owned by a PE - and sunk into debt. That either have to be paid at some dramatic 'Monday' in the future, - or restructured. I suspect some of these PE firms to operate close to organized crime. Like the Gambino (of New York - or Sicily) family buying respected companies, drowning them with debt, run off with the money and let the company go bust.
There is only one remedy: Increase interest rates drastically! Let the prime rate float free and let the market decide what it it worth (- possibly the only issue I share opinion with Ron Paul) - and add a 'debt fee' - a tax that can help many countries cover their huge public debt.
As it is now, it is too easy and too cheap to borrow huge sums of money. This leads to that incompetent people can borrow just as easy and cheaply as the professionals. And it leads to that too much money/resources are directed towards not profitable investments.
Kodak?
I don't think that the brand will die, though. It's too valuable. There is more reason to be worried about film. The crisis we are in, a depression, actually, spells trouble for film production.
Last edited:
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Olsen,
Elegantly phrased!
Capitalism, historically, relied on intelligence and luck. Losses were well distributed (cf. my great-great grandfather who went broke and according to family legend had to sell the steam yacht and bring my great-grandmother Florence home from finishing school, but his was only one of a dozen or more major iron companies in the UK). Flo therefore joined the Party in 1917...
Now that any cretin with a few kronor spare can invest in the stock market, and the hysteria of crowds operates in selling shares in large companies, capitalism itself is devalued.
Cheers,
R.
Last edited:
antiquark
Derek Ross
Don't worry, Obama will bail them out if they're about to go under!
Last edited:
x-ray
Veteran
JPSuisse
Well-known
Rangefinderforum is really an amazing place... I have to admit (to bmattock) that right after Kodak announced the death of Kodachrome... I was in the "Doesn't-matter-Kodak-sucks,-so-who-cares" boat. I'm a little more level headed now. I think it boils down to a problem in the way America percieves the creation of value. In fact, the American business mentality has, via America's substantial on global higher education really spread this view to many places. It is not really Kodak's management, GM's management, etc. It is a problem with how our culture perceives value. (This, by the way, has nothing to do with Capitalism or Communism.) These managers are only acting based on their assumptions about what creates value for the company (and themselves.) I'm afraid that American industry is really doomed until America starts reformulating how it thinks about value. To a lesser extent, European manufacturers are suffering for the same reason. The Japanese on the other hand perceive value much differently. Go talk, for instance, to the Japanese about rice... Let's hope that we'll be able to get our film other places, if Kodak dies. And, if you have an M8 or M9, I hope you can get senors some place else... I suppose, if Kodak goes bankrupt, the value of these cameras will drop to zero. NO SPARE PARTS! Here again, we see that the intrinsic value of the changeable film camera is higher than that of a digital product... Cheers, JP BTW-I am the owner of an M8, so don't try to get me on digital bashing...
I have to admit (to bmattock) that right after Kodak announced the death of Kodachrome... I was in the "Doesn't-matter-Kodak-sucks,-so-who-cares" boat. I'm a little more level headed now. I think it boils down to a problem in the way America percieves the creation of value. In fact, the American business mentality has, via America's substantial on global higher education really spread this view to many places. It is not really Kodak's management, GM's management, etc. It is a problem with how our culture perceives value. (This, by the way, has nothing to do with Capitalism or Communism.) These managers are only acting based on their assumptions about what creates value for the company (and themselves.) I'm afraid that American industry is really doomed until America starts reformulating how it thinks about value. To a lesser extent, European manufacturers are suffering for the same reason. The Japanese on the other hand perceive value much differently. Go talk, for instance, to the Japanese about rice... Let's hope that we'll be able to get our film other places, if Kodak dies. And, if you have an M8 or M9, I hope you can get senors some place else... I suppose, if Kodak goes bankrupt, the value of these cameras will drop to zero. NO SPARE PARTS! Here again, we see that the intrinsic value of the changeable film camera is higher than that of a digital product... Cheers, JP BTW-I am the owner of an M8, so don't try to get me on digital bashing...