"M (Typ 262)"

uhoh7 said:
Full Frame or go home

And I hear Reuters won't accept Fuji JPEGs ;)
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Hehe... the Fuji is full frame. It the full aps-c frame :p

(and being an AF user....I really like it and the small lenses!! )



Why drop live view Leica? Worried about canabalizing the M240 ?
How much money does existing code cost them?
Forgive me if i misunderstand but, there is no real hardware change in the sensor, processor, or lcd is there?
 
I'm tempted. Still a lot of money.

I'd have to rely on scale focusing more - Auto-focus does help, especially when I need to be fast.

FF, no live-view, I suppose one can set the camera to forego the preview - I don't want to look at the screen while shooting.

I'm tempted. Maybe in six months, when the first second-hands come on the market.

Cheers!
 
f16sunshine said:
Hehe... the Fuji is full frame. It the full aps-c frame :p

(and being an AF user....I really like it and the small lenses!! )
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Hopefully Fuji is paying attention to the money Sony is making on the A7r2 and lenses, and to the gorgeous build of the Leica SL.

There is huge opportunity for "Interchangeable Q" which Leica seems unmotivated to fill and Sony has precluded with it's bizarre sensor decisions (the cover).

Fuji has a chance to start a great new system from scratch, and they have many fans who love the current APS-C Leica-like cameras. Good planning, like making the mount really wide as it should be, picking the right sensor, etc and keeping the package small, light, and easily adaptable, they could really make a serious run into the mainstream FF market.

Imagine if there was an option for a small camera which could not only shoot M well, but had it's own small, light fast zooms?
 
The simple digital Leica M, that i would buy should be exatly that simple "Edition Leica 60" (so just ISO Timewheel and shutter) thing but in the slim and elegant body of the classic M6/MP (M9-Detail instead of rewind knob). That would be PERFECT!

I would even appreciate the film advance cranck/lever for shuttercocking like in the Epson Rd-1 as it satisfyingly completes the ceremony of taking a picture and of course even further prolonges battery live in that super simple-manual camera.

sigh...

The M262 is just a "empty" M240...
 
uhoh7

You may go home.

Thinking about the sensor area without thinking about the lens' areas is a incomplete.

However in terms of maximum possible signal, a f 0.95 lens with a 24 X 36 mm sensor is hard to beat. Except it can be beat using an even larger sensor with a fast (f 2 !) lens.

I think you mean medium-format digital or go home. Otherwise we are just quibbling about compromises.
 
If they really want to do something interesting, ditch the whole concept of making it look like the film Ms.

The digital Leicas, as much as I love my M9 are basically the equivalent of horseless carriages.

Start from scratch, design a body around a full frame sensor rather than a roll of film. Make it lighter. Put a grip on it for gods sake. Give it an M mount, a shutter speed dial, a range finder and little else.

Do another one with live view and video for more money that fits inside the same body.

Make it beautiful and functional and feel like it was always supposed to be this way. Produce it for 50 years and keep improving it.
 
Errr... That is a Sony NEX you are describing except from the RF, available from your friendly camera store...:rolleyes:
 
jubbaa said:
I think they missed a trick on this one , if they could have just made it a bit smaller I think it would have tempted some 240 owners to switch ... And therefore sold more cameras. I certainly wood have as the size is the one thing that bugs me about my M240
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I do not think they have any interest for M240 owners to switch. This is an ME successor which caters to the no-video, no-EVF crowd.
I think it ticks all the boxes for the intended customer group.
 
jaapv said:
I do not think they have any interest for M240 owners to switch. This is an ME successor which caters to the no-video, no-EVF crowd.
I think it ticks all the boxes for the intended customer group.
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I agree, but it is sad for CCD fans to say goodbye to the last in production M mount camera.

Who knows? maybe the next CCD breakthru awaits in yonder laboratory.

Stephen
 
jaapv said:
Errr... That is a Sony NEX you are describing except from the RF, available from your friendly camera store...:rolleyes:
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Who are you talking to?

The Nex is a nice little APS-C camera with the wrong sensor configuration, and numerous other issues I've not heard mentioned.

Have you ever used one?

nightfly said:
If they really want to do something interesting, ditch the whole concept of making it look like the film Ms.

The digital Leicas, as much as I love my M9 are basically the equivalent of horseless carriages.

Start from scratch, design a body around a full frame sensor rather than a roll of film. Make it lighter. Put a grip on it for gods sake. Give it an M mount, a shutter speed dial, a range finder and little else.

Do another one with live view and video for more money that fits inside the same body.

Make it beautiful and functional and feel like it was always supposed to be this way. Produce it for 50 years and keep improving it.
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Basically I agree, except I would add EVF and some other modern features, or at least make a version that had them.

But I think there are some dentists who could not handle the change ;) , so an M6 look-alike, that size, would be good also. Three models. One a "traditional" :)
 
And the new silent shutter in Typ 262 doesn't even get a single mention in this thread?!

RFF has become a strange place. Let's rename it to LVF (Live View Forum)...
 
brbo said:
And the new silent shutter in Typ 262 doesn't even get a single mention in this thread?!

RFF has become a strange place. Let's rename it to LVF (Live View Forum)...
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+10

Leica gives us normal digital rangefinder, what's there to complain? For me this camera is just a faster M9 with low light friendly sensor, silent shutter, but heavier body - apart of weight issue that is what I like about it.

Yes - it is expensive... who is surprised?
 
Corran said:
I don't think removing features is the way forward. At this point I wouldn't even consider upgrading from (or in addition) my M9 unless the video and LV functions were part of the deal. But I do some commercial video so that's why.

But personally I'm more interested in the Monochrom ultimately, as an additional camera to the M9. The M240 and newer cameras don't really seem all that better than the M9, except high ISO, which I have other cameras already that works better for that.
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More silent shutter, higher ISO, higher resolution, higher dynamic range,possibly more reliable, that sounds like an upgrade from the M9/ME to me.
 
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