"M (Typ 262)"

[jaapv]

Not an option. The M is too heavy to hold it the whole day in hand, also I usually carry a second camera. Holster is often the only good option for my style of moving, acting and shooting.

What puzzles me with your replies is (or I'm missing the humor even with the smileys) why it is so hard to just admit, that improvement is possible, even for our beloved Leica...

Hmmm.. mine has strap lugs.
I believe in adapting my way of working to the tool in hand, after selecting the appropriate tool of course.
In my experience the tools tend to work best for me doing so.
And yes, the smiley is the key in the post you quote.
In this case I would tend to blame the holster rather than the camera, after all, some owners might want to use LV and the holster

 

[anerjee]

looks like it might INTEREST Moi
though I could for that money or rather under 5000.00
get a lightly used Monochrom
but then again occasional 'colour' has it's Fun

anyway who wants 'Live View' and Video , boring ... Not Me 😛
😀

Me too, this sounds like the m for me.

 

[Pete B]

How many RAWs are on that card? If the card is empty, it is much faster.

Ah, that could be it, there's virtually nothing on it.
Pete

 

[taemo]

was thinking about what the ideal digital M would look to me and it would be something like this

-Leica M film camera size
-no LCD screen in the back
-ISO dial on the back like what the M60 or M7 have
-External EVF with 4 buttons (L-R, Review, Delete)

this will allow the camera to be used as a true RF camera with the option of Live-view and image review with the external EVF.

 

[olakiril]

was thinking about what the ideal digital M would look to me and it would be something like this

-Leica M film camera size
-no LCD screen in the back
-ISO dial on the back like what the M60 or M7 have
-External EVF with 4 buttons (L-R, Review, Delete)

this will allow the camera to be used as a true RF camera with the option of Live-view and image review with the external EVF.

My ideal camera as well. Maybe I would even try to save some money for that kind of leica if of course it is not a "collectors" overpriced edition. But an xpro2 with its hybrid ovf will do until then 🙂

 

[icebear]

looks like it might INTEREST Moi
though I could for that money or rather under 5000.00
get a lightly used Monochrom
but then again occasional 'colour' has it's Fun

anyway who wants 'Live View' and Video , boring ... Not Me 😛
😀

I knew some day you'll get there ... 😉.

 

[Doug]

was thinking about what the ideal digital M would look to me and it would be something like this

-Leica M film camera size
-no LCD screen in the back
-ISO dial on the back like what the M60 or M7 have
-External EVF with 4 buttons (L-R, Review, Delete)

this will allow the camera to be used as a true RF camera with the option of Live-view and image review with the external EVF.

An interesting idea... And the External EVF could be an app for your smart phone. Simplicity, and most of us carry a smart phone anyway. Saves Leica from supplying another electronic device, lowers product cost... 🙂

The M (typ262) looks like a fine alternative or backup for the 240. Like Helen I don't need video or LV. I tried using the external EV with the 240 with a Pentax lens and found it error-prone and frustrating... I'll reserve such lens use to the Pentax dSLR instead.

 

[fenixv8]

Wow, this is great, thanks. I had 2.0.1.5 until now and just updated to 2.0.2.5 and regarding LV, it feels like a new camera.

Sadly (hey, I'm a custumer, I always complain... 😛), the issue of slow startup still exists. Just tested a nearly full 64GB SanDisk, that was formatted in camera. Startup time until the first shutter release were 14 seconds (holy moly! - in that time you can load a new film and shot the first five frames...). The same card in my Oly E-M1: less than two seconds until shutter release.

Anyway, with LV completely disabled, I can keep the M switched on for the whole day and don't care about startup times anymore.

Does the 240 really take 14 seconds to start up?

 

[ferider]

Does the 240 really take 14 seconds to start up?

No. With the right card, and using SD-Formatter, you can go below 2 sec. For which cards to use, see benchmarks here (from LCT@LUF):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrp36ynkt3jgtjd/M240-M82_sdcards_times.xls.pdf

I use Sandisk SDHC class 10 Extreme Pro 95 MB/s 8 GBytes cards, if it matters.

Roland.

 

[jaapv]

Using Lexar Pro 16 Gb and 600x or 1000x it takes about 1.4 sec. But there is sample variation between cameras

 

[krötenblender]

No. With the right card...

Yes, it does. But since this is off-topic in this thread, I started a new one:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2556480#post2556480

Just one remark: Same SD card with worse conditions make my Olympus E-M1 start up in less than a second, so it is not the SD card alone. Also: the firmware of a premium camera should be able to format a SD card with the best possible parameters for its own use. It's not the SD card (I just bought a Lexar 150MB/s card to make sure...), it is the bad SW architecture of the firmware.

 

[uhoh7]

I have already spoken to the San Francisco Leica Store about an upgrade from my M9 to the M262 and it looks as if we will be able to swing a deal.

I like the idea of the quieter shutter and the higher ISO capability. Don't have any need for Live View or video on my Leica. I use video with other cameras and as for Live View...

I was able to test the focus accuracy on my Nokton 50/1.1 with my M9 and have the lens subsequently adjusted by Don, so I guess I am not clear why I have to have Live View to do that with the newer camera. I do agree it may be easier but certainly not impossible.

As for focus accuracy I use my Color Skopar 35/2.5 and Elmar M 50/3.5 the great majority of the time and I have no reason to believe that the new camera won't be able to work with those lenses with any less ability than the M9.

I may miss the CCD sensor but I kind of doubt that will be a real big issue in the long run. I guess I'll find out.

Congrats!! The shutter and the ISO will be nice, looking forward to your experience 🙂

It is said that the RF on the 240 frame is less prone to jarring etc. But I seemed to have jarred my M9 into a perfect state 😉

 

[Huss]

I think that many are missing a huge advantage of having live view. It allows you to use pretty much any lens made. Why wouldn't you want the option of doing that? The feature does not add anything to the size of the camera - clue - the new budget M is the exact same size as the M240.
Don't want LV? Don't use it. There is an option in the menu to disable that and the video.

M100 with a dainty Zenit 85 1.5 for that swirlolisish bokeh.

I've used my M not just with standard Leica, Zeiss and CV glass, but also Zeiss ZF, Nikon, Minolta MC/MD, Lomo...

Why miss out on this opportunity?

 

[Pioneer]

Huss, on the surface that sounds perfectly reasonable.

But in my reality I have cameras that are able to use all kinds of different lenses...but I have yet to do it.

Likewise, I have cameras that have Liveview available. And unless I am forced to work with it (that is the only way to use the camera) I never use it.

So, for me, spending an extra $1,500 USD for something I never use now that I do have it seems to be a lot like a waste of my money.

 

[robert blu]

Of course Liveview has a great utility, it transforms an RF camera in a versatile tool which can be used in that occasion where RF is not idoneous, long tele etc we all know this.

But some photographers are used to the only RF experience with a film camera and see the M typ 262 as the most similar tool, like it could be about myself switching from M7 to M262 !
It's nice to have options
robert

 

[jsrockit]

I think that many are missing a huge advantage of having live view. It allows you to use pretty much any lens made. Why wouldn't you want the option of doing that?

Because some people just pick a lens that works and go out and make photos. Different aspects intrigue different people.

 

[Huss]

Because some people just pick a lens that works and go out and make photos. Different aspects intrigue different people.

But what if that lens is an old Minolta MC 58 1.2? (for example)
😉

It's fun to see what lens you really gel with.

Anyway, if you don't want it and want to buy new, the 262 makes a lot of sense.

 

[uhoh7]

I think that many are missing a huge advantage of having live view. It allows you to use pretty much any lens made. Why wouldn't you want the option of doing that? The feature does not add anything to the size of the camera - clue - the new budget M is the exact same size as the M240.
Don't want LV? Don't use it. There is an option in the menu to disable that and the video.

M100 with a dainty Zenit 85 1.5 for that swirlolisish bokeh.


I've used my M not just with standard Leica, Zeiss and CV glass, but also Zeiss ZF, Nikon, Minolta MC/MD, Lomo...

Why miss out on this opportunity?

Please do not show me pictures like that 😉

 

[Keith]

I think that many are missing a huge advantage of having live view. It allows you to use pretty much any lens made. Why wouldn't you want the option of doing that? The feature does not add anything to the size of the camera - clue - the new budget M is the exact same size as the M240.
Don't want LV? Don't use it. There is an option in the menu to disable that and the video.

This is the exact reason I went with the 240 ... it gives it incredible versatility.

 

[jsrockit]

But what if that lens is an old Minolta MC 58 1.2? (for example)
😉

It's fun to see what lens you really gel with.

I get you...I have some lenses I swear have something special about them. However, I was just giving an alternative reason as to why someone might not care about using every lens ever made.