Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Digital cameras depreciate rapidly, but I share your contention that digital Leicas depreciate more slowly than other digital cameras.
The remarks by another poster about condition also commands a bigger premium proportionally with Leica gear in general, and of course there is a rather healthy premium for boxed gear regardless of condition.
Of course the original prices are also higher when comparing brands.
Cal
nikonhswebmaster
reluctant moderator
I looked at the M10 yesterday, size-wise not as "advertised," it is still not even close to M6 size or weight. For me the Q would be the hardest to resist, as a casual camera, it is so light.
Chubberino
Well-known
I'm looking around for the rubble that indicates destruction but I don't see anything
maggieo
More Deadly
Which is why I'm not so sure I'd sell mine for an M10.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
I bought my MM 4 years ago new. It is currently at Leica getting a sensor replacement. Bill the Service Manager told me that along with the sensor replacement I will get a complete overhaul, and my MM will come back as if a new camera.
I had 4 years of trouble free use, and I heavily used my MM to the point that the covering was worn smooth in some areas, and the edges display silvering that could be called brassing. How I love my MM. Warts and all I still think it is a great camera, and it displays a wonderful patina of silvery edges.
I also own a SL which is a very fast shooter, but when I go back to my MM I get startled by how basic and primitive a camera it is. To a certain extent it feels like a film camera because it is so basic and simple.
Interesting to note that the OP has remorse for selling his MM. BTW the M246 is a more advanced camera in almost every way, but the CCD sensor of the Monochrom has the huge midrange that resembles larger formats. All I need is a basic camera anyways.
Cal
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Just did a search of eBay M9 sales (not offer price, but actual sale price). Over the past two months or so, used M9's have been selling for between $2100 and $3000, with the what looks like the average being somewhere around $2700.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Actually, most sellers on ebay and by PayPal are far more serious and careful comparing to some "good camera dealer". It is not uncommon to read how "good names" stores are selling Leica cameras which indeed needs service before they were sold as working ones. While with ebay, PayPal if seller is doing the same lousy sale as "good camera equipment dealer" the buyer is protected by very strict rules which are 100% on buyer side. If seller is not secure on ebay, it is visible right away on feedback and seller like this is handled special way by ebay. No money will be given to seller after sale until buyer is living positive feedback. And it is not just for one sale transaction.
This is simply not true. I get my money right away always without any feedback. I've been using eBay for 19 years though.
maggieo
More Deadly
I'm going to send in my M9-P for the sensor replacement and shoot with an X100 while it's gone, I think.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I have started not as long time ago as you have started. Nineteen years ago I did't have credit card and bank account. In my case and time of starting with selling on ebay I have to make a lot of sales, before money were released without feedback or after certain waiting time. If I don't sell for long time it also gets reset.
Read this, your statement about "true" might change.
hap
Well-known
M10
M10
I wrote the seller and response was , who ever says I will buy first....will get it. I immediately wrote back saying "I will buy it". Response was that someone else had already bought.
It was one of those kinds of sale.
M10
I wrote the seller and response was , who ever says I will buy first....will get it. I immediately wrote back saying "I will buy it". Response was that someone else had already bought.
It was one of those kinds of sale.
raid
Dad Photographer
hap
Well-known
M10
M10
Yes Raid
M240
Best
Hap
M10
Yes Raid
M240
Best
Hap
hap
Well-known
I was surprise by a comment that had to introduce the President in this discussion.
A border tax is being considered, but it is far from a done deal. Perhaps the commenter would like to know that it is related, if ever implemented, to assist American industry. How many American Cameras have you bought lately, or maybe in the past 50 years? Is there such an industry that I don't know about?
Perhaps you don't like the PResident, I get that. But at least get your facts straight. there will be no tax on Leicas, or Nikons, or Canon, or Fuji, or Sony. there could be the threat of a tax on Japanese or Korean heavy duty earth movers.
Our products are taxed quite heavily when exported.....except our cameras....which don't exist. RIP Kodak, Polaroid, Argus, Graflex.
A border tax is being considered, but it is far from a done deal. Perhaps the commenter would like to know that it is related, if ever implemented, to assist American industry. How many American Cameras have you bought lately, or maybe in the past 50 years? Is there such an industry that I don't know about?
Perhaps you don't like the PResident, I get that. But at least get your facts straight. there will be no tax on Leicas, or Nikons, or Canon, or Fuji, or Sony. there could be the threat of a tax on Japanese or Korean heavy duty earth movers.
Our products are taxed quite heavily when exported.....except our cameras....which don't exist. RIP Kodak, Polaroid, Argus, Graflex.
nightfly
Well-known
Why wouldn't the proposed border adjustment tax apply to Leica USA importing cameras from Leica Germany to sell in the US? From what little detail has been given about it, it seems like it would. The bet is that a strong dollar would help to offset the cost to American consumers but it's far from certain that this will happen or that it will go up the 20% that the proposed border tax would increase.
Again it's all theoretical at this point but I'm not sure how you can say it wouldn't effect cameras.
What am I missing?
Again it's all theoretical at this point but I'm not sure how you can say it wouldn't effect cameras.
What am I missing?
Huss
Veteran
FYI there will be no Leica M13. The number 13 is deemed unlucky by many and so Leica is deciding how to name that model when the time is appropriate. They are leaning to M12.2
That camera will definitely be bad luck for those selling their previous Ms on the used market.
That camera will definitely be bad luck for those selling their previous Ms on the used market.
fireblade
Vincenzo.
In Australia the M10 is at $9700.....yes, all the taxes here make it so.
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
"Some say", that is the important bit here. Some say.
Election night, I stayed up until 3AM watching until the returns were finalized. At that point, Paul Krugman, the NYT's Nobel prize winning economist/political pundit, was already tweeting that the stoock market was going to crash, a very bad crash, but not only that, his immediate judgment was that there was a very good possibility that "it might never recover".
Never? Yes, so did "some say", but they were not/are not basing it on economics, but on something else entirely.
It was pure politics, as is all this talk about the BAT, the outlines of which have not even been written yet.
Not possible to speculate at this point (well, speculate reasonably, at any rate. Economics is known as "the dismal science" for a reason.
At 3AM, I went online and placed "buy" trades with every bit of uninvested capital I owned. It was hardly a gamble; some things are just that obvious if looked at unemotionally.
No, I don't want to turn this to a political discussion; more along the lines of discouraging thinking which needlessly, perhaps, buys trouble. "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."
hap
Well-known
M10
M10
Interesting comment....I wrote something wordy and it disappeared. So now I would just ask my Australian friend who has to overpay for a Leica, why his political leaders would punish him financially for buying a German camera. It seems the Aussie tax serves no purpose of protecting national rangefinder camera industry or leveling anything but his wallet. It appears Australia taxes anything that moves.....across the border. They are not alone.
And....the other commenter correct. We do not even have the barest outline of what is likely to be proposed.
All I know is that I live in one of the most taxed jurisdictions in the country and have little to show for it other than failing schools, crumbling infrastructure, and somehow large pension obligations for public servants.
M10
Interesting comment....I wrote something wordy and it disappeared. So now I would just ask my Australian friend who has to overpay for a Leica, why his political leaders would punish him financially for buying a German camera. It seems the Aussie tax serves no purpose of protecting national rangefinder camera industry or leveling anything but his wallet. It appears Australia taxes anything that moves.....across the border. They are not alone.
And....the other commenter correct. We do not even have the barest outline of what is likely to be proposed.
All I know is that I live in one of the most taxed jurisdictions in the country and have little to show for it other than failing schools, crumbling infrastructure, and somehow large pension obligations for public servants.
pepeguitarra
Well-known
My personal belief is that resale of used digital cameras will always be a bad deal. Computers go obsolete, and those cameras are computers. Resale of film Leica cameras will thrive, they are not computers, they are cameras. :bang: