M2vsM3vsM4; Which one would you keep?

M2vsM3vsM4; Which one would you keep?

  • M2 - simpler and sooo cute!

    Votes: 251 37.1%
  • M3 - keep The Icon man!

    Votes: 179 26.4%
  • M4 - 35 to 135 and quiet as a ninja!

    Votes: 247 36.5%

  • Total voters
    677
My M2 is slightly off, taking frame equivalents of widescreen TV. I need to crop about 10% additional from the sides when cropping for 8X12s (not to mention the nano space between frames on a roll that makes cutting strips an ordeal), and still I like using it more than I like using my much better looking and better performing B M4.

I'm tempted to get a replacement for the M2, but it works, so I just shrug it off. It cost me under $500 and had a CLA. An equivent today would run about a grand, I'm thinking. If I could get a better one for $600, I might bite. Long live the M2.
 
I have seen them for $800. KEH has/had a bargain rated M2 for just over $600. I already have a bargain rated M2. I'm looking for a really clean, nice one, no CLA required. For that, it would cost more. I was talking optimal M2s.
 
wise humor, it seems to me.

nothing like hunger to improve the appreciation of a meal ... maybe the absence of any M will sharpen your taste.

i did something like that over the last couple years, selling an M4, M6, M7, and some high-end lenses i really had no business keeping. am now down to an M2 and a few too many lenses, and find myself more comfortable with my kit.
That's an interesting point, Mike. And, I've had to think about that of late.

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The Hexars have good company...

Over the last few weeks, I've had something of a long "be careful what you wish for" moment. Much as I've been using and loving my Hexars (a whole lot) these last 6-7 years, I've wanted a slightly more quiet option; not that the Hexen have muffed any major photo-ops with their motorized winding/rewinding (if anything, they've helped clinch far more images for me, thus featured), but, even though it's not terribly often, there is a place and time for near-absolute quiet where a camera is involved.

The last camera I had that actually surpassed that qualification was a Hexar autofocus. It was ostensibly replaced by a Ricoh GR-1, which was smaller and handier, but a good deal noisier...moreso in fact, than my Hexar RFs. And then it broke, leaving me without a good and truly compact option, never mind the noise it made.

Now, in just a few weeks, everything (okay, not everything) changed: first, I got hold of a Contax Tvs for what to me was an incredibly good price, and have been on something of a photographic tear with it since, taking it with me virtually every day, rain or shine. The camera delivers the goods, too. But the big surprise was how damn quiet the thing is: not Hexar AF-quiet, but more than close enough, and way the hell more quiet than anything else this size and motorized that I've tried. It passes the audition.

Then, just days ago, came the M2. I't not my M2 (not yet, anyway), but on long-term loan to me. This will be about as much up-close-and-personal time I've had with a real Leica, well, ever. (My near 2-year ownership of a "50 Jahre" Leica CL years ago doesn't exactly count to me.) Now that the sticking-shutter problem has been solved (still worried about that trailing-curtain warp...I'll know what's up when the film is developed and scanned), I've been taking that camera out with me, along with the Contax, the latter making a somewhat handy light meter as well as second camera. And, yeah, I get the pre-M6 thang better now: butter-smooth winding, smooth and whispering shutter (and release), crispy VF/RF (just a tad snappier than the Hex, which isn't bad at all). Being among the first 200 M2s produced, it lacks a self-timer (works for me...a less-encumbered grip, IMO), it has that weird rewind button (not too crazy about that one, but I can deal), and the film loading...let's just say that if, and when, I end up buying the thing, I might be going for the M4-style rapid-load system mod. And, as mentioned elsewhere, I've grown accustomed to the manual-reset frame counter. Puts more hair on my chest. 😉

So...I say the M2's the thing, because that's what i've got, and probably as close to any Leica M as I'll get. Which is to say: if you have any Leica M in your possession, consider yourself fortunate.


- Barrett
 
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You've been given all the advices you need to make up your mind. The personality of the camera owner may play a role in deciding which model Leica to sell/keep.

I am very content with using an M3 with an M6 [0.85] as I favor fast 50mm lenses and tele lenses. If you also have a heart for history, then the M3 has a special place in Leica History and in craftmanship.

No matter which camera you will sell, it was a mistake!
 
Barrett, interesting gear sojourn - i mean, how the M2 arrived in your hands in a karma-like way. as you are primarily a hexar user, and have been for some time, you're in a good position to be objective about the leica. unlike the leica "choir" - no offense intended - it's just that they/we are so numerically advantaged around here.

a few of my observations: my M2 has the self-timer. i wish it didn't. it's in the way of my grip, too, and once in awhile i inadvertently cock it. the film-loading, well, is an acquired taste. i like it, esp since i've picked up a couple extra spools to carry pre-loaded. the M2 is the only M which i've never misloaded. only the M5 is as reliable, imho.

good shooting. i'm interested to know how it goes with the M2.
 
Most of the time I use my two Canon P cameras. The Leica cameras are used "when I am in mood" for a Leica. Both are great user cameras, with an edge for the P.
 
Mike: The M2's shutter appears to be behaving just fine, in spite of that trailing-curtain warp: no light leaks (I was shooting on a crazy-sunny day, so that's a fair test). Lots of fun. The snaps below were posted on a few related sites:

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whitewaterriff.jpg


(Technical: Leica M2, 35mm f/2 Summicron [v.1], Kodak BW400CN)


- Barrett
 
Hi,
I own a M4, and two M2s; once photographed with an M3. There is no need to cut a leader on a cassette of bulk-loaded film if one is shooting an M2 or M3 with a standard takeup spool, just insert the straight cut end under the tab of the takeup spool. I've never experienced difficulty focusing a 50 mm f 1.4 lens or a 105 mm f 2.5 lens on either my M4 or M2. Having two camera bodies that take the same set of lenses adds tremendously to the versatility of ones outfit. I often kept one body loaded with black and white film and the other loaded with color film. The flash connector on the M4 is a version of the PC tip. The flash connector on the M2 and M3 is a very good proprietory connector. (Yes a rangefinder Leica is a wonderful camera for flash photography. The 1/50 second fastest strobe synchronizing speed works better than one might
expect.) So an adapter may be required when attempting to connect a strobe to an M2 or M3. The M2 that I bought to be the black and white camera while my M4 was loaded with color film has become my favorite Leica, your expereince may differ. I like to use a Leica Meter mounted on the camera or a Luna Pro carried in a pouch on my belt and feel no need for an in the camera meter. Hope my experiences and calling attention to some of the characteristics of the different models helps you reach a very personal decision.
JustPlainBill
 
I would keep the M3 since 50mm is my favourite lens,

But in your case it is different since you have two camera with a 0.72 finder.
Sell back the M3 and the M2, buy an R2M for the built in meter and use lenses such as 50,75,90mm.

Keep the M4 as you say this is the smoothest one, and I have also heard a couple of times from Leica specialists that is the best M ever built (I mean in term of mechanical precision).
 
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