Ara Ghajanian
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If you take the battery out of the M6, do you basically have an M4?
M6 minus battery
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ChadHahn
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More like a M4-P or M4-2.
Chad
Chad
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
Ara Ghajanian said:
Take the batteries out of an M6 classic, you pretty much have an M4-P. Take the batteries out of an M6TTL and you'll have an M4-P without the use of your hot shoe (or any flash at all for that matter), a larger shutter speed dial that travels the wrong way, and a top cover that is 2mm too tall.
richard_l
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What Bill said. :angel:BillBlackwell said:
Richard
sepiareverb
genius and moron
BillBlackwell said:
The shutter speed dial turns the 'opposite' way. It is only 'wrong' to some of us.😀
vrgard
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Ara, if you read this page (from Steve Gandy's Cameraquest site), you'll see why Bill says an M6 without a battery is more like an M4-P rather than an M4: http://www.cameraquest.com/mguide.htm
Hope that helps,
Randy
Hope that helps,
Randy
Ara Ghajanian
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Thanks guys. The reason I ask this is because it may be fun to remove the battery sometimes and go completely Sunny16. When I try Sunny16 with the battery in, I'm always tempted to use the meter.
Artorius
Caribbean Traveler
Ara Ghajanian said:
I'd be willing to bet, that even after removing the battery, you will still be looking for those red diodes. I know, 'cause that's what I did.
vrgard
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Art is probably right. But maybe by removing the battery you won't do what I still find myself doing with the M6 and that's chase those red diodes. With my non-metered cameras I preset the exposure and then don't worry about it while I'm actually taking the shot. But with the M6, if the little red diodes start telling me otherwise then I start thinking about resetting the exposure rather than simply taking the shot.
-Randy
-Randy
photogdave
Shops local
I have the EXACT same problem. I've been tempted to take the batteries out of my M6 permanently! I like shooting with my M4 better but I baby it too much - which is why I got the M6 to be the beater street camera.vrgard said:
Currently testing out a CL with match needle metering and liking it! THis could replace the M6...
Artorius
Caribbean Traveler
OK, here's what happens
OK, here's what happens
You ae walking southbound down a street, the sun is over your shoulder, you take a handheld incident and a reflected reading. You see a great photo op, but you are reminded by the little red arrows IN the viewfinder that you need to change your exposure. Now, what to do? Do you lose the shot and change to a +/- 1/3 stop, or do you ignore the lights and shoot the predetermined f stop? Chances are you will follow the meter. This is why I got rid of the M6 and am staying with the M3 & M4P.(I also ordered the M8, just for the digital side, but will still go with the hand held meter reading)
OK, here's what happens
You ae walking southbound down a street, the sun is over your shoulder, you take a handheld incident and a reflected reading. You see a great photo op, but you are reminded by the little red arrows IN the viewfinder that you need to change your exposure. Now, what to do? Do you lose the shot and change to a +/- 1/3 stop, or do you ignore the lights and shoot the predetermined f stop? Chances are you will follow the meter. This is why I got rid of the M6 and am staying with the M3 & M4P.(I also ordered the M8, just for the digital side, but will still go with the hand held meter reading)
FrankS
Registered User
I'm okay with ignoring the meter diodes once I've decided the exposure is set properly. All it takes is will power and conviction. The meter in my M6 is not a problem!
vrgard
Well-known
FrankS said:
Yeah, but that's easier said than done. One has to be experienced and/or knowledgeable enough to trust the camera settings you've made despite the little red diodes telling you they're wrong. I only got there after practicing with the Sunny 16 rule and non-metered cameras.
-Randy
Ara Ghajanian
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Well, the solution to all this is removing the batteries. I feel the meter is necessary in certain situations for me, such as indoors with available light. But outdoors I want to learn to trust my eyes and the sun, not the diodes.
richard_l
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Most professionals use a meter, either handheld or built into the camera (including AE). Trusting your eyes may sometimes be convenient with manual unmetered cameras, but the best exposure system is your eyes and mind together with a meter. Second best is your eyes and mind alone. Third best is a meter alone without the option of human override.Ara Ghajanian said:
Richard
jbf
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Hah... I've been forced to use the Sunny 16 after I lost my nice Sekonic L-308B flashmate meter this week while on vacation. 🙁 🙁 🙁
I've had to bracket my shots so many times now. Especially when working in lower light situations.
I'm great with working outdoors without a meter, but as soon as I go indoors i really dont know the exposures that well. f/5.6 at 30 or 15 if well lit... otherwise maybe even f/2.8 at 30 or 60.
🙁
I've had to bracket my shots so many times now. Especially when working in lower light situations.
I'm great with working outdoors without a meter, but as soon as I go indoors i really dont know the exposures that well. f/5.6 at 30 or 15 if well lit... otherwise maybe even f/2.8 at 30 or 60.
🙁
pvdhaar
Peter
Show me a man who's got but a single 50mm lens, and I'll show you a man who's got will power and conviction 😀FrankS said:
richard_l
Well-known
I'm pretty much the same as you (kinda perplexed indoors). Perhaps it is the change in temperature from natural to artificial lighting which throws me off. Maybe you should replace that L-308B. There's a newer L-308 model which is supposed to be even better.jbf said:
Richard
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
pvdhaar said:
(Waves hand)
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
This discussion reminds me of an incident three or four years ago. I was shooting in Arizona with my stepfather when the batteries in my M6 suddenly went dead. I was completely frantic and had to get some batteries.
This is in stark contrast to the fact in my lifetime I have owed several M3s, a couple of M2s, and an M4 - I never used a meter and I only bracketed when shooting with slides. In fact the M6, which I purchased in about 1999, was my first regularly used metered M camera. I was trained on Sunny 16 as a teenager - how quickly are our good habits lost.
Since the battery incident, I have practiced ignoring the meter in my M6/MP cameras - only using it to spot-check my readings from time-to-time.
I must admit, though, in the last year or two, the most threatening tool to this practice I currently have in my M arsenal is an M7. I have discovered "aperture priority"!
This is in stark contrast to the fact in my lifetime I have owed several M3s, a couple of M2s, and an M4 - I never used a meter and I only bracketed when shooting with slides. In fact the M6, which I purchased in about 1999, was my first regularly used metered M camera. I was trained on Sunny 16 as a teenager - how quickly are our good habits lost.
Since the battery incident, I have practiced ignoring the meter in my M6/MP cameras - only using it to spot-check my readings from time-to-time.
I must admit, though, in the last year or two, the most threatening tool to this practice I currently have in my M arsenal is an M7. I have discovered "aperture priority"!
