menos
Veteran
Now, that the new toy paint has worn off off the M8.2 and the other RF cameras, I find exactly that with my usage behavior - I don't try, to force myself into a RF camera, when a DSLR is a better, more convenient choice.
I prefer the RF for it's size, weight and the glass, but again, grab a DSLR for shooting low light, when I am too lazy for using film instead.
menos
Veteran
Just a minor point, but the way I read it I thought Sebben was referring to the original M8 "brick" charger
Considering this, the initial response would be even more arguable
In any case, the newest Leica charger (small + car adaptor) is one of the nicest chargers. Leica would reach perfection though, if they would exchange the power cord with Apple like switchable adaptors.
user237428934
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For me getting a really sharp photo at a time longer than 1/30 is just luck (and I mean really sharp in 100% view on the monitor). With my 5D at 1/15 I have a success rate of 50%-75%. With the M8 less. They are still OK but not really sharp. And I use a M8 with a soft release.
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Two F2as's with motor drives .80-200 2.8 on one 28 on t'other an FM2n for flash sinc with a 28-70 2.8, two Quantum turbo flash packs (Dragging your pants down on every job) a metz 45 attached to one turbo a SB28 on the fm2n to the other a 300mm2.8 in the Billingham with another Fm2n body and spare SB28 a 15mm also in the Billingham with as much tri x as possible. At least two bars of chocolate (candy for my US friends). some gum and a small drink, some antiseptic gel and some tissues/toiletpaper and I'm sure Ive forgotten something Ah yes a small roll of electrical tape.
Standard everyday walking/working kit for all London Fleet street national newspaper Photographers before dig.
Oh yes how could I forget a Leica M4p or M6 with a 35 summi around your neck 'just in case' the rest of the 'Frackin' kit went wrong as it often did when it got wet. (it rains a lot here).
And you Guys are arguing about a couple of ounces.
When the UFO comes for me I'm taking an M9 and a 35 and a 90 and if thats not enough kit who cares anyway.
Standard everyday walking/working kit for all London Fleet street national newspaper Photographers before dig.
Oh yes how could I forget a Leica M4p or M6 with a 35 summi around your neck 'just in case' the rest of the 'Frackin' kit went wrong as it often did when it got wet. (it rains a lot here).
And you Guys are arguing about a couple of ounces.
When the UFO comes for me I'm taking an M9 and a 35 and a 90 and if thats not enough kit who cares anyway.
Harry Lime
Practitioner
It's not so much the weight of the D700 that bothered me, but the bulk.
But I felt the same way about the 5D. Why can't one of these companies simply make a FF DSLR that is nice and compact??
The M8/M9 is relatively heavy for it's size (all that brass...), but very compact. It doesn't feel like you are lugging around a brick on a strap, regardless of the fact that the two cameras are almost the same weight.
But regardless the D700 is a really nice camera....
But I felt the same way about the 5D. Why can't one of these companies simply make a FF DSLR that is nice and compact??
The M8/M9 is relatively heavy for it's size (all that brass...), but very compact. It doesn't feel like you are lugging around a brick on a strap, regardless of the fact that the two cameras are almost the same weight.
But regardless the D700 is a really nice camera....
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
hehe, i think your right, on both counts!
seems like he has thrown in the towel already
Ha .. I'll have you know I went for a walk and shot some LF this arvo with the Crown Graphic ... pure therapy and I'm ready for round two!
Give it your best shot you lot!
I am talking about the huge original M8 charger.
Wallo
Member
I hope you mean the carnival type and not the junkie type. Those can be fun, but I would still prefer the camera.
faris
Well-known
My D700 has a zf 35/2 attached to it..zf 35/2 = 530 gm
My M8 has the cron 35/2 asph attached. lens wt. = 225 gms.
( zeiss.com and leica.com )
I use both. Both are supre for me. Which is heavier and bigger in size
is obvious.
Whatever works for you.
My M8 has the cron 35/2 asph attached. lens wt. = 225 gms.
( zeiss.com and leica.com )
I use both. Both are supre for me. Which is heavier and bigger in size
is obvious.
Whatever works for you.
When I decided to abandon my M8 for shooting gallery openings and switch to a D700 there were the inevitable "Oh but those DSLR's and particularly the D700 are just so heavy!" comments!
Really?
I've just weighed my D700 with the 35mm lens I'll be using it with ... and also weighed the M8 with the 35mm lens that's been mounted on it for doing these gigs!
D700 .......... 1.24 kgs (or 2lbs 13oz)
M8 .............. 1.02 kgs (or 2lbs 4oz)
That's a difference of ~ wait for it (drum roll) ... .22 kgs (or 9 oz) Thats some weight advantage ... I now understand why all those DSLR shooters have abandoned their heavy cameras in favour of the lighter digital M!
My conclusion ... the M8/9 does have some advantages over a DSLR in certain areas but definitely not much in weight.
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Chippy,thats just wrong for so many reasons!
have you considered you will need to take an appropriate adapter for your charger, otherwise its just useless !
what about first impressions? the little green men will think we are all nuts and walk around with a black box attached to our face, like a child's pacifier !
i think just the camera in your phone would do, i heard they encourage you to phone home
just like these phones, it doesn't matter what technology you use, its the conversation (or picture) thats important
I'm guessing that 'they' would have a suitable interface for powering the camera.
As for thinkng we are all mad, after watching our race for a few hundred years that would be a forgone conclusion.
As for 'phoning home' I bet my mate on the Sun picture desk would be more than a 'bit surprised'....... LOL
Come to think of it better take the Mac as well.
As a pro PJ for many years I couldn't agree more and as my picture editor might say "Who gives a Shxt they have green heads 3 ears and a trunk for a nose........... Get it on the page !
Best Regards
Peter
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Nikon Bob
Guest
Same here, the weight of the D700 I don't mind but you are right about the bulk. There is no reason somebody can't make a compact FF DSLR, just the will to do so is missing. So far the D700 has been the best compromise for me. I simply can't and won't pay the M9 price to gain compactness in a FF digital camera. Good to see Keith back too after taking a break from the fanboys.
Bob
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Well, I'm not sure about the market. A compact FF SLR would be more expensive than a "normal" FF SLR. Would you pay twice the price of a D700 to get a D7000 that offers the same in a smaller package? Leica can afford to do that because they're priced into the stratosphere anyway.
And half of the potential buyers would complain that it's got the wrong lens mount, that it doesn't have an advance lever and that it doesn't work without batteries.
Then again, full-frame DSLRs haven't become a mass market phenomenon until recently - the D700 has been available in numbers only for like a year and a half. So maybe one will come out eventually.
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Nikon Bob
Guest
I am sure you are right that the market is not there and the manufacturers think so too, therefore the lack of will to do so. No, I would not pay twice the price for a compact FF DSLR and the manufacturers realize that too further reducing their will to do so. Leica can afford to do that because of their customer base allowing them to do so. FF digital has been on the market for longer than two years if you take into account Canon's offerings too. Yea, there is always hope but for the present I'll stick with the D700.
Bob
menos
Veteran
A FM3a style camera with D700 innards, excellent MF operation with changeable screens would be tempting for me.
If workmanship and build is on par with the top cameras, I might even prefer it over thinking about to buy a M9.
Nikon should remain the best of their MF lenses in production for it and had a "competitor" to the M9 aimed, just not a RF, but an SLR.
It is just, that Nikon (and others) head in another direction than Leica.
Vern Dewit
Newbie
I've looked really hard to find those statements in any of my posts in this thread and I'm not having much luck ... maybe you can help me out here?
Your implications are clear in your posts. Sorry I wrote lighter - I was making a point that for certain applications the DSLR is quicker or even lighter than a RF, I'm agreeing with you here. I'm not a complete idiot - I've used (and still use) enough DSLR's to know that photographing certain subjects is quicker and more accurate with the Nikon / Canon / Sony / Panny than with the Leica. People don't have to like this statement to make it true.
I just don't get why the need to post this amazing discovery when it should be perfectly obvious to most people that RF's aren't the only tool in the chest... Surely you knew you were going to get a reaction posting that here!
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Bob,
And the incentive. Smaller batteries = shorter battery life. Cooling is probably more of a problem = slower processing. And while simple, mechanical controls appeal to many, I'm not sure they'd sell well to those who are used to two LCD screens, a dozen modes, and two dozen buttons, thumb-wheels, ports, trapdoors, control wheels and rocker switches. Likewise manual focus.
Cheers,
R.
popeye
Established
Ha .. I'll have you know I went for a walk and shot some LF this arvo with the Crown Graphic ... pure therapy and I'm ready for round two!
Give it your best shot you lot!
I must atone...
user237428934
User deletion pending
I must atone...
Some people go to the fitness center and some schlepp such a heavy thing around. But I don't understand those activities.
Is this really a camera?