Insurance is relatively cheap.
Come on, that's not accurate unless you are immune to ergonomics and weight. There are many reasons we use rangefinders over SLRs...and quality isn't high on the list (since they are all capable).
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Repeated because it's a *crucial* advice. Especially when you're just starting the working-phase in your life.
In you shoes, I'd pick a gently used Nikon D700 and build the lens kit around it.
There is nothing technically speaking that the M9 can do that a D700 cannot.
Araakii
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Think of it this way. Those who use SLRs just want to get things done. They are used to the weight and all they really need are sharp photos.
Araakii
Well-known
I bought an M9, used it for 1 year and sold it for $100 less than what I paid for it. So, I think it's fine to borrow money to buy it, as long as you take good care of it.
Even with interest, it will only be $300-$400 a year to use it.
Even with interest, it will only be $300-$400 a year to use it.
So, people who choose not to use SLRs don't want to get things done?
Ok, it seems you are talking about people who use cameras for work. Sure, the SLR is the most versatile.
Now, since I don't use mine for work and I'm not trying to just "get things done" (i.e. I want to enjoy myself), I guess I have to agree with you.
What I'm trying to figure out is why you quoted my post with this info since my post was about ergonomics and giving a reason why the OP may want to switch from a DSLR to a M9. I admit though, that I'm very sensitive to ergonomics and they do matter to me. A camera that feels right makes me want to use it.
Peter^
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You will not have buyer's remorse if you buy an M9.
It is the most expensive camera of its kind on the market. Psychology tells us that if you make that kind of commitment at the beginning, you will probably never allow yourself to regret it. On the contrary, you will defend your decision even if you are basically unhappy with the camera. You will be blind to its faults.
Generally, people only regret compromise. If you buy something cheaper, you probably will always see only the things you don't like about it and find yourself saying: "If I had just bought the M9". If you go all in, that won't happen.
I personally think the M9 is clearly overpriced at offers very little value for the money.
It is the most expensive camera of its kind on the market. Psychology tells us that if you make that kind of commitment at the beginning, you will probably never allow yourself to regret it. On the contrary, you will defend your decision even if you are basically unhappy with the camera. You will be blind to its faults.
Generally, people only regret compromise. If you buy something cheaper, you probably will always see only the things you don't like about it and find yourself saying: "If I had just bought the M9". If you go all in, that won't happen.
I personally think the M9 is clearly overpriced at offers very little value for the money.
Clearly overpriced? Sure is. Offers very little value? That depends on one's expectations and wallet.
Peter^
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of course, that's why I qualified the statement with the adverb "personally".
jippiejee
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I think you're over-estimating the ff bonus of the M9 vs the 1.3x crop of the M8. The shooting experience of both cameras is really very similar. I love my M8 with the 28mm elmarit, have it on me all day when walking around places, and it stopped all lusting after the M9. Saved me roughly €3500. Good enough for a summilux to add to the mix.
mugent
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If you've decided on the M9, fair enough. But a good idea would be to rent one first for a week or so, use it, and see if the GAS subsides. Sometimes we just need to get it out of our minds by using one for a while, and let the 'magic' disappear.
I bought an M6 , liked it, used it, sold it and bought a cheaper camera that I was more comfortable carrying everywhere.
Take it from a 32 year old, i regret the places I didn't travel to when I was 22 and had the chance, I regret the experiences I didn't have, I don't give a s**t about the stuff I bought.
I bought an M6 , liked it, used it, sold it and bought a cheaper camera that I was more comfortable carrying everywhere.
Take it from a 32 year old, i regret the places I didn't travel to when I was 22 and had the chance, I regret the experiences I didn't have, I don't give a s**t about the stuff I bought.
BobYIL
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Decisions are decisions.. Herewith we must conclude these debates and wish the OP our best by hoping he would be contented with his final decision.
There is something called the "psychology of purchase decision" which sometimes may not have anything to do with logical choices. For example there could be one or more personal reasons behind of buying a mechanical Rolex watch costing even ten grand. All these reasons can be understandable as long as the buyer would not claim that he bought it for what was inscribed on the bezel "Superlative chronometer. Officially certified". Then he might be pointed to a quartz Casio sold on any corner, costing less than 50 bucks and showing time 10 times more accurate than any mechanical watch including the Rolex Superlative Chronometer... (For many even this would not help..)
Some of us preferring mechanical watches can understand this psychology better than those who use quartz ones... BTW, what was the main thema of the thread? Buyer's remorse.. Remorse; the buyer is supposed to feel it.. or not. Let him experience what he intends for.
There is something called the "psychology of purchase decision" which sometimes may not have anything to do with logical choices. For example there could be one or more personal reasons behind of buying a mechanical Rolex watch costing even ten grand. All these reasons can be understandable as long as the buyer would not claim that he bought it for what was inscribed on the bezel "Superlative chronometer. Officially certified". Then he might be pointed to a quartz Casio sold on any corner, costing less than 50 bucks and showing time 10 times more accurate than any mechanical watch including the Rolex Superlative Chronometer... (For many even this would not help..)
Some of us preferring mechanical watches can understand this psychology better than those who use quartz ones... BTW, what was the main thema of the thread? Buyer's remorse.. Remorse; the buyer is supposed to feel it.. or not. Let him experience what he intends for.
Araakii
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A better advice would be to find another job to make more money and then this decision will no longer be an issue.
tifat
Member
This thread makes me glad I'm into vintage film cameras (S2, M4...). At least I can satisfy my "best camera" consumerist fantasies (they never end, kiddo) for about a grand.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I'm a self confessed flip flopper over the M9 I have to confess!
I'm constantly looking at examples here for sale on OZ eBay .... $5000.00 is a lot of money though and it doesn't really seem a lot of camera for that much dosh does it?
But as they say ... "If you never go, you'll never know!"
I'm constantly looking at examples here for sale on OZ eBay .... $5000.00 is a lot of money though and it doesn't really seem a lot of camera for that much dosh does it?
But as they say ... "If you never go, you'll never know!"
brokencivilian
Established
I don't mean to go in circles but I think the way the thread went was wrong. I was only asking if anyone who bought one regretted it and for what reason.
The second part of this thread got turned into my personal finances. Which is my personal information really...
Ok, so it's either M9 or nothing? Why did you ask the question again then?
Or is it M9 or just keep using what you are using now?
Wasn't asking whether or not to get the m9 or something else, I'm pretty set on that camera ether m9 or m9-p
I love my film m, and would love a digital m
They have insurance on them from the company till your lease is over
custom875
Member
If you take cost out of the equation then I would definitely get it. Well, I would get it if I get to keep my dslr and lenses.
braver
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You know what you're buying and you know it's a great camera. You won't regret owning the camera, but what people are saying and what you are intent on not listening to is that you may regret buying something very expensive (even to those who can afford it) while you cannot afford it.
Hey, if it's so personal why bring it up?
Payment plans and insurances look nice when you want to buy something you can't quite afford but really want. However, the trick is that you are actually paying more than you would if you just plunked down the cash. All the middle-guys are making money off you. If you don't have enough money look to pay less for something, not more.
Payment plans are not the way to deal with shortage of money, saving is. Have you not been following the news since 2008?
Again, noone's saying buyers remorse will result from any aspect of the M9 other than the fact that it is an exceptionally expensive camera that you can't afford outright.
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d_c
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^ this I'm afraid.
If you have sufficient projected stream then you probably already know whether you can justify it commercially as a capital investment and so this whole conversation is redundant, but it doesn't seem entirely like that from your original question, so save to get it or sell something, and hire for commercial jobs in the interim and only when you absolutely need it.
In the meantime, in lieu of saving you could perhaps think about investing any extra chunks of cash you get in Leica glass - it only seems to go up in price, that way you get to play with your money while you wait. But only buy something when you spot a real bargain and be prepared, when you finally decide to press the button on an M9 (or maybe M10 by that time), to part-ex or sell everything you absolutely don't need.
Good luck with it.
If you have sufficient projected stream then you probably already know whether you can justify it commercially as a capital investment and so this whole conversation is redundant, but it doesn't seem entirely like that from your original question, so save to get it or sell something, and hire for commercial jobs in the interim and only when you absolutely need it.
In the meantime, in lieu of saving you could perhaps think about investing any extra chunks of cash you get in Leica glass - it only seems to go up in price, that way you get to play with your money while you wait. But only buy something when you spot a real bargain and be prepared, when you finally decide to press the button on an M9 (or maybe M10 by that time), to part-ex or sell everything you absolutely don't need.
Good luck with it.
efirmage
Established
I made a fair bit of money on a 90mm Tele-Elmarit, and over that time realized that I almost never need a focal length that long.
Lenses are almost always a good investment. Cameras not so much.
A new M9 at this point in the game seems a little foolish. An M10 may be around the corner, as well as other cameras like the NEX 7 and X Pro 1 entering the market. That means there will be more used M9's on the market and the prices will be going down. I'd say hold on to film for another year, save or buy lenses, and let prices drop.
I'm lusting after an M9 as well, I just have the fortune of not being able to afford one.