Nazi march in Sweden, with X-Pro2

[Rick Waldroup]

Not wishing to enflame things here but here is but one of many examples of the "non fascist" fascists of antifa and demonstrates the point I was making.If they are not fascist perhaps we need a new epithet but I for one am happy to stick with the fascist description. And in one of those attacks why did they do it? Because a gay man Milo Yianoppolos came to speak in support of free speech. If that is not fascist I do not know what is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33HVduI474

Well, your first post about Nazis and the antifa was a bit eye opening. Kind of like the statement that "there are fine people on both sides", after the fiasco in Charlottsville.

But this post defending Milo Yianoppolos is completely off the rails. The guy is a hate and fear monger. Everyone is entitled to free speech in the U.S. but that does not mean that when you go about espousing hate, fear, and racism, that people are going to just accept it. In other words, if he can talk the talk, then he needs to be prepared to walk the walk and in his case, he is a complete and utter failure. He can take his hate-filled rhetoric and politely ****.

 

[Prest_400]

Sweden struck me as a very quiet and orderly place during my semester (not holiday) there; didn't visit Göteborg though. I am preparing for next year as a Candidate to study perhaps in Uppsala.

The Anarchist flag waving is the shot that struck me most of these series. Curious little detail in the traffic light with the arrow... EU wise there has been a rise in extremism and over here (Barcelona, Spain) the rift that has been growing over the last years went off to the streets. Poignant in many of the meanings of the word. Kinda pushes me towards a more productive and integrative country.

Oh, with the many demostrations going on in Spain, we also have some welcoming sunny 24C weather! And it's a great time to travel.
Despite being close to the action I haven't given a thought to pop around them and shoot something.

Too bad we're not living in a leisure automated society as one of the 20th century ideas described, rather seems it's going backwards!


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[Peter Jennings]

Not wishing to enflame things here...
...a gay man Milo Yianoppolos came to speak in support of free speech.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33HVduI474

Really? I think you contradict yourself.

 

[fireblade]

The silhouetted shot with the red flag is just plain frightening. How can this be happening again?

History repeats.
When a nation goes too far left it reverts to the right.
When it goes to far right it reverts back to the left.
Nothing changes.

 

[filmtwit]

Peter, I was at this. that video is from the "Stand Against Hate" event in MLK park. it wasn't a right wing event and Milo was never at that one.

Concerning that event, more then 5 MAGA folks showed but most of the rowdyness started when a small group of non traditionalist skinheads showed up.
It went down hill from there.

it also could have been a lot more violent then it was. Near the end, most of the MAGA folks had congregated at the entrance to the park outside of police view. When the Black Bloc kids showed up (not antifa btw), instaed of assaulting them, they would stop, take pictures of the MAGA folks and then kept marching.

Not reported was that their was technically 3 events that converged on MLK park, one of which was 4000 protest parade (at UC Berkeley), a Black Bloc event (Ohlonepark) and then city's "Stand Against Hate" event. They all converged on the "Stand Against Hate" event.

And like I said earlier, I've been at every single one of these so far here in Berkeley. These events are mostly bad political theater at their worst.

Not wishing to enflame things here but here is but one of many examples of the "non fascist" fascists of antifa and demonstrates the point I was making.If they are not fascist perhaps we need a new epithet but I for one am happy to stick with the fascist description. And in one of those attacks why did they do it? Because a gay man Milo Yianoppolos came to speak in support of free speech. If that is not fascist I do not know what is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33HVduI474

 

[BlackXList]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

And "Horsehoe Theory" is about as credible as "Flat Earth Theory"

Peter, you probably do need a new epithet, because that one already means something specific.

I entirely agree with Rick on Milo, but I'll leave the statement at that since this is a place for photography discussion and politics tends to go badly.

 

[airfrogusmc]

A couple of quotes by a fascist on what fascism really is.

"The definition of fascism is The marriage of corporation and state".

"Democracy is talking itself to death. The people do not know what they want; they do not know what is the best for them. There is too much foolishness, too much lost motion. I have stopped the talk and the nonsense. I am a man of action. Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day."

"Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere."

All quotes by Benito Mussolini

 

[valdas]

And "Horsehoe Theory" is about as credible as "Flat Earth Theory"

Peter, you probably do need a new epithet, because that one already means something specific.

I entirely agree with Rick on Milo, but I'll leave the statement at that since this is a place for photography discussion and politics tends to go badly.

Political theories cannot and do not need to be proven, they are just philosophies, points of view... I equally disagree with all types of radicalism - right or left. I have not seen any of them bringing anything but violence and misery.

 

[BlackXList]

Political theories can indeed be proven or disproven, on a macro level History is essentially a list of this.

Back to the photographs:

I understand why you chose the title for the series photographs, because that was the event, although I do think a small preface to say that the people in the photographs were in fact protesting against the march, rather than taking part, or a title that left no room for that confusion.

I enjoyed the photographs, thank you for sharing them.

 

[valdas]

Political theories can indeed be proven or disproven, on a macro level History is essentially a list of this.

So if we look at what History proves - Khmer rouge and Stalin were hardly right wing regimes (very much left, in fact), yet they did quite the same as Nazis. Here is the horseshoe proven on a macro level.

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

Communists were far more murderous than the Nazis.

 

[Peter Jennings]

Totalitarian dictatorships tend to be murderous in general, regardless of political stripe. Can we just leave it at that? Free democracy wins. Period.