Need on opinions on the Canon 7

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I'm considering selling or trading my Bessa-T, as I'm finally forced to admit it'll be a long, long time before I'll ever use its M-mount. Also, I want to pare down the number of camera bodies I have & expand the number of lenses. If I keep the T, this will mean buying viewfinders. I'd rather have a camera with framelines.

I considered getting the Bessa-R/CV 35mm f/2.5 combo at CameraQuest, but I've become intrigued by the Canon 7. Seems to be a sleak little body that meets my needs: built in meter, LTM mount, framelines, full range of shutter speeds, rugged, & dependable. Probably won't come with the 35mm lens, which I'd desparately love to have, but chances are my T won't bring in enough cash to net that combo anyhow.

So, what do the 7's owners think of it? From what i've gathered, it's a nice camera.

Couple of questions about the viewfinder: Is it 1:1? From what I read at CameraQuest, the 35mm frame is 0.8, but it didn't say anything about the others (unless I missed it). Also, will it scratch my glasses?
 
G'Evning, Captain,

I have a 7 and love it. There are real foibles about it and they may or may not have an impact on your decision. I'll try to be as objective as possible.

1) The meter is a selenium meter. If it is good, it will be as accurate as any is, but below EV 6 or 7, your Mk1 Eyeball Meter will be more accurate. I do use the meter on mine, but usually also have a hand held along. I had, until recently, a VC Meter II for my classics and now have a Sekonic L-28c that I'll throw in my pocket. In the end though, if you do available light much, you'll need a handheld that can get down to EV 1 & 2 ... or learn that level the old way... 😀

2) The VF is fine for me. The .8 that I hear quoted sounds about right. I am not someone who tries to keep both eyes open much, but when I do there isn't that great a difference. YMWillV. If I am wearing my glasses, I can use the 35 finder just fine, though I don't always have mine on for various reasons. It is a real glasses scratcher though. Just out of paranoia that I was giving good info, I recently set my finder to 35, put on my glasses and could see all four sides lines - not as clearly as I remembered, but well within my idea of easy use. Once again, YMWillV. One other thing - if you buy one made after 1958, the Jupiter 12 will fit the Canon 7, despite what you may hear. My avatar picture has my J-12 mounted ... It is possibly the best FSU lens made and will give you excellent results even though it is extreamly cheap for a LTM 35/2.8 lens

3) It's my primary camera and I really prefer it to anything else I've used, including a couple of Leicas. That gets into personal preferences, but I like the finder and far prefer a swing open back. The labeled finder lines and the shutter lock are also very big pluses for me. I consider the build quality to be as good as anything in that era - which is to say superior to any (yes, _any_) currently made camera. One thing you don't mention is what size camera you like. No one will _ever_ call the 7 small (even compared to a handful of SLR's... 😱 ). For me, this is a plus. I really don't like little cameras - they feel awkward in my hands. I am seriously considering selling my CL because of this. My 7 with the Luigi case and it's built in grip just feels so much nicer to me that it's very hard to explain.

4) Now, none of the meter information is displayed in the finder. It's kind of a poor mans aperture priority system. Set your aperture to, say 16, and then move the shutter speed dial until the meter needle lines up with the appropriate aperture - at least that's the best way I've found to use the meter. I like using hyperfocal technique, so that may be why it works well for me - I set my aperture, set my focus with infinity on that f-stop on the DOF scale and then adjust shutter speed as necessary.

5) I like KEH alot. I got my 7 from them - bargain grade for $190. I also picked up a Canon 50/1.8 from another RFF member for ~$100. I really beleive that a person just can not get a cheaper high quality introduction to the golden age of rangefinders. OTOH, there were 137K of them made. This tends to keep today's prices reasonable. And, yes, that is a very good thing... 😀

6) Major negative - and this one is a real feeping deal killer for many people - there is no accessory shoe built in. There is a 35 frameline and the whole of the finder does a really good approximation of the 28 FOV. But anything wider, or for that matter, anything needing the accessory shoe (flash, secondary meter, etc.) can't be used without an obscenly over priced accessory that clips onto the PC connection bayonette on the left side of the camera. The only accessory shoe I've seen recently is at www.kevincameras.com for $150... (!) Scariest part is that's a cheap price historically for that little piece of bent metal... :bang:

I chose the 7 over the 7s or 7sz as I actually like selenium meters and don't use really wide lenses. Your needs may differ. I hope this post is of some help to you. In the end, all of this is driven by preferences. What I like is not necessarily what you like...

Good luck & good light,

William
 
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captainslack,
I dont mean to highjack your thread...but I have to ask...Stephanie Please tell me about this Canon P!
 
The Canon P is my favorite of all the rangefinders I've used thus far (and that hasn't been many, granted) for a few reasons. The 1:1 finder makes it very easy for me to use my favorite focal length (which just so happens to be 50mm) and the 100mm framelines are also very easy to see. The 35mm lines are a bit hard for me as a glasses wearer, but I've done well with them so far.

One of the other things I like about this camera is that it has no internal meter. I *hate* internal meters, especially on older cameras. I see no use for one when handheld meters are so plentiful, cheap, and can be replaced without taking apart your camera. Modern cameras are a different story, of course.

And one other thing: it just feels great in my hands. I love it.
 
Steph,
Thanks for the info on the P. Just what I had been thinking I need to get one. I really wanted to buy Joe's P but I missed it. I have a Summitar that is waiting to be mounted on it.

Oh yeah I think you influenced that decision as well!
 
There is no doubt that the P is a great camera. Many of the things I mentioned above apply to the P as well as to the 7. However there is one big decision point you need to consider - do you think you will _ever_ be interested in the 50/.95? If so, only the 7 series can use it. Otherwise, any of these camera is fully capable of doing what you wish...

Good luck choosing!

William
 
I have and use the Canon 7 and a Canon VI-T. The VI-T is as close to the Canon P as I have. I had it CLA'd, and came out very nice. I prefer the projected framelines of the Canon 7. The RF spot is very bright. The magnification is 0.8x, but the "effective baselength" is larger than the VI-T and P. That is to accommodate the 50/0.95.

I put a "little rubber stick-on foot" over the hi/lo meter sensitivity selector to prevent it from scratching my glasses.

The Canon 7 will probably cost ~$100 less than the Canon P; more made and it has a selenium cell meter. Some people associate that with the 20th century.
 
Brian Sweeney said:
The Canon 7 will probably cost ~$100 less than the Canon P;

Which is why I asked about the 7 over the P. I've heard enough about the P to know it's a great camera. It's just out of my price range.

Thanks for all your info, everybody! I found Steven B's thread about the 7 which also answered alot my questions. Still not sure which route I'll go as both the 7 & the Bessa R have good cameras. Wish someone near me or one of the camera stores here had one I could handle. That would probably be dangerous, though. 😀

What I want to do is reduce the number of RF bodies I have to my Leica, the Canon or Bessa, and my Kiev. That'll mean eventually selling my Zorki 6, my FED, & my Canonet. Hopefully I can pick up some lenses with the money I get. Right now, I have a bunch of camera bodies and a bunch of 50mm lenses. I need to diversify in order to get some different looks to my photographs.
 
I have the VI-L which is as close to the P as you can get. (it was simplified to reduce cost to produce the P) and had a Bessa R. I have also had the 7. I sold the Bessa because it didn't have the same "quality" feel. The 7 has more framelines than the VI-L and they are selectable but I prefer the variable mag in the VI and V series.

Kim
 
OK, I've read three separate articles on the Canon 7 and each one of them mentions the shutter lock and how great it is. But, none of them mentions why the shutter lock is great or even what it is or what it's used for. Can someone clue me in here, cause I'm obviously missing something?
 
The shutter lock is used to lock the shutter so you don't release it by accident (such as when shoving the camera into a bag.) This is great if you often have the problem of taking accidental pictures; otherwise, it's nice to have but not a huge hairy deal.
 
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