santino
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I guess he meant certain fast focal lengths which are just missing...
Nikon announces full-frame mirrorless camera
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Larry Cloetta
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How about this, sports fans....
https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/13/...-lens-to-be-announced-later.aspx/#more-124577
58mm f/0.95 Noct. Sweet. Apparently not everyone thinks that low noise digital sensors obviate the utility of high speed lenses. Or maybe it’s just Nikon saying, “Yeah, we can do that.” Just because.
https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/13/...-lens-to-be-announced-later.aspx/#more-124577
58mm f/0.95 Noct. Sweet. Apparently not everyone thinks that low noise digital sensors obviate the utility of high speed lenses. Or maybe it’s just Nikon saying, “Yeah, we can do that.” Just because.
ptpdprinter
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Looking forward to a lens roadmap. Depending on what it shows, it may be several years before I think about buying in.
willie_901
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I would hope no one thinks that.
When they are wide open, high-speed lenses mean more total light reaches the sensor which means more there is more signal. Regardless of sensor area, more S/N can be a good thing.
Then's there's subject isolation which can similarly useful.
mich rassena
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Well said. Timing is everything. I'm hopeful that Nikon is not too late to the game, though it very much feels like they are. Perhaps they are late in the way Apple was late with the iPod or iPhone. As in, their entry defined the beginning of a new era.
I don't think Nikon can afford to pull any punches. If this new camera came with a larger than full-frame sensor, and old lenses used an FX crop mode, while the new lenses already announced covered the larger sensor, that would be tremendously bold of them. I'm hoping for something that is a big jump forward in the marketplace, not only just for Nikon, at a price point that is competitive with full frame bodies. I think the only room to grow is bigger sensors, and rather than Nikon throwing their hat in the ring with a "me too", they can lead instead.
I'm having a hard time imagining what else Nikon brings to the table with a completely new format. I can already stick legacy Nikon lenses on a full-frame Sony body. I hope they have a good answer to "How is this camera going to be better?"
shawn
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Might also be that big to allow for a large amount of sensor shift for stabilization.
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cz23
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I don't think they are too late. The only real FF mirrorless competition is Sony. And judging from all the grousing about the A7 series usability and computer-with-lens sentiments, I'd say Nikon has an opportunity.
We can't expect to see much file quality difference, but if they offer a satisfying traditional camera usability experience, from a real camera company, I think people will welcome that.
I'm not keen on SLR-style bodies, but I'm looking forward to the announcement.
John
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Quite frankly, as a Sony A7R user and former Canon/Nikon DSLR user I do not see any difference in the use of both systems. It's not like a cell phone vs DSLR usability. It's the same buttons, same dials, same everything. The biggest difference is battery life and optical finder. Former will get sorted with better battery tech, latter, improvements in LCD/LED tech. As of now, I don't see what Nikon can improve over existing Sony options in the usability department. I.e. unless you have huge hands. Then the whole mirrorless size aspect goes out the window.
Now, if we start comparing it to Fuji usability with dedicated manual controls, that's another game.
BlackXList
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Me.
There's absolutely no chance they'll do a new mount. The EOS mount is the biggest selling point of any of the cameras they make.
xayraa33
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The Canon FF mirror-less camera is not a Canon DSLR and will have a shorter register distance to the sensor plane, so a new lens mount is very possible.
And especially if they want to outdo Nikon in the "larger diameter lens mount is better, just in case we go bigger than FF in the future" sweepstakes.
Canon is taking its time releasing their full frame mirror-less camera and has most probably caught on to what Nikon's sneaky plan is with its new more than humongous diameter lens mount for FF mirrior-less and will not be out done .
BlackXList
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Canon already has a larger lens mount than Nikon.
They won't dare add a fourth mount into their current line up, they'll play to their strengths which is the EF lens range.
xayraa33
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Canon EOS mount lenses will still need an adapter to work on one of their new up coming FF mirror-less cameras because one of the two proposed FF mirror-less cameras have a shorter register distance to the sensor plane, so a new mount is not out of the question.
https://www.canonrumors.com/is-a-native-ef-mount-coming-to-a-canon-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-cr1/
personally I don't see any full frame mirrorless cameras
that I would call "a great camera."
I think Nikon could redefine the existing marketplace with a great design,
time will tell
that I would call "a great camera."
I think Nikon could redefine the existing marketplace with a great design,
time will tell
willie_901
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I will speculate Nikon's long-term game is to redefine full frame to mean the largest sensor surface area they can use with their new larger mount.
mod2001
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Well, how about a 'real' touchscreen for example, and don't let me start with Sony menus :bang:
Yogi
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As a Canon user I'm contractually obliged to say "Well hopefully they can finally put AF in the fast lenses"
I think they already have a similar lens, but not knowing my Nikon stuff I may be wrong.
RObert Budding
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That, too. Likely IBIS isn't high on the list of features for people who shoot medium format.
willie_901
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Nikon's product teams have always favored lens stabilization. In 2018 IBIS is important for video. FUJIFILM also prefers lens stabilization but recently released the Fujifilm X-H1 with IBIS for people interested in high-quality video. Eventually, I would expect Nikon to do the same.
I don't use adapted lenses or video so I prefer lens stabilization. Obviously both systems have advantages and disadvantages.
shawn
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Likely true, but potentially true because it isn't available on MF. But I meant a large lens mount to offer a lot of movement for IBIS on a full frame sensor. However, if that could also translate to IBIS on a MF sensor that would be class leading for Nikon. Even more so if they added a pixel shift shooting function to it.
Shawn
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