OT: Can you believe this was just 50 years ago?

I don't get it.....what exactly is the problem with this article? Next you're tell me smoking is bad for you......
 
Sounds familiar. Even if it is parody, it's pretty much how my mother believed she should behave in those days. The only directive she frequently ignored was "Don't greet him with complaints and problems."
Those would come after this greeting to my dad: "Let me tell you what your son did today..."
 
I write about history and it really irks me when I see rubbish like this treated as fact.

As dmr notes, this is a hoax - I saw a version in a feminist comic in the 80s, although intriguingly the form reproduced here has been cleaned up for PC consumption - the original conclusion offered a vivid account of an ideal wife's place in the home

One look at the doument will show it's a fake. The picture is in fact a 1957 cover from the British Magazine John Bull, and was one of a series celebrating "ordinary life" in a new world of universal free education and health care, rising living standards, new technology and and social mobility. An image of progress and liberation, misrepresented as an image of oppression.

See here for the original: http://www.advertisingarchives.co.uk/gallery_johnbull.php?PHPSESSID=e29485aa7147b34bb8a96100a252493f

In the late 90s these covers were used as illustrations by the Sunday Times, as retouched by Advertising Archives. The credit printed beside the illustration is still visible for heaven's sake!

There are enough people telling us lies about the present. Distorting the past is equally dangerous.

Ian
 
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jrong said:
Hoax or not, this sort of attitude persists in a lot of countries around the world, in this day and age.

I guess it's an eye-opener, so we shouldn't take our freedoms for granted because it could so easily be taken away....
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Despite the .sig, I'm an anthropologist, and so my inner cultural relativist sometimes struggles with my personal opinions of what's right and what's wrong and what's just plain inexcusable.

The "how to be a good housewife" approach doesn't work for me, but I guess it works for some people and that's fine -- as long as everyone involved has a choice. Fifty years ago, women did have choices. They were more difficult choices than women have today. Because of this, I'm thankful that I live now and not back then, but I don't think this is something that can be framed in the context of "personal freedoms" the way most such discussions are framed. There were no laws that dictated when and how often a woman must fluff her husband's pillow.

I don't like to throw the "personal freedoms" line around except in situations that really, really warrant it, particularly in our current climate. Doing so diminishes the relevance and power of the argument.

There are still plenty of tough choices out there for women. I'm in academia and in general that's a more difficult career path for women than for men -- not necessarily because of institutional biases (although they're still there, of course) but because of the lifestyle choices that must be made. Being successful in academia requires a supportive spouse or partner who is willing to pursue your goals with you. This fulfills the traditional role of "wife" pretty well, but "husband," not so much. I think many women have to decide between "career" and "personal life" (much more often than men do) but in academia it's often a very, very either/or decision.
 
I agree with everything you said, Melanie - but reading some of the bullet points just reminded me of the things that certain cultures still vociferously spout, and then impose forcibly on their womenfolk. Perhaps we should also be grateful for not just being born in a different time, but also in a different locality.
 
I don't like to throw the "personal freedoms" line around except in situations that really, really warrant it, particularly in our current climate. Doing so diminishes the relevance and power of the argument.

There are still plenty of tough choices out there for women. I'm in academia and in general that's a more difficult career path for women than for men -- not necessarily because of institutional biases (although they're still there, of course) but because of the lifestyle choices that must be made. Being successful in academia requires a supportive spouse or partner who is willing to pursue your goals with you. This fulfills the traditional role of "wife" pretty well, but "husband," not so much. I think many women have to decide between "career" and "personal life" (much more often than men do) but in academia it's often a very, very either/or decision.
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Throwing "personal freedoms" around as you put it is just a way to waste your own individuality, invariably in every situation that really, really does not warrant it. Particularly in this poor climate.

What is your argument? There are plenty of tough choices out there for women; there are plenty of tough choices out there for men too. For instance: should a man buy a Leica or a Zeiss camera? Which 50mm lens? Should he buy more than one camera?

Blurting about high-faluting academia is hardly conducive to rational argument; it exposes insecurity, and women and men alike need to appeal to clear reason and not dogged arguments.

Women and men need to decide about career and personal life: the fact that it is an either/or decision is a personal one - love demands sacrifice - giving up oneself for another. Even if that other has a bigger ego and insecurity which needs to be massaged.


xoxoxo

miffy

http://carrotblog.livejournal.com
 
Blurting about high-faluting academia is hardly conducive to rational argument; it exposes insecurity, and women and men alike need to appeal to clear reason and not dogged arguments.

I'm not sure what your point is. I might also be more likely to take you seriously if you didn't pretend to be a stuffed bunny.
 
MelanieC said:
Blurting about high-faluting academia is hardly conducive to rational argument; it exposes insecurity, and women and men alike need to appeal to clear reason and not dogged arguments.

I'm not sure what your point is. I might also be more likely to take you seriously if you didn't pretend to be a stuffed bunny.
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You're not required to take anyone seriously Melanie ;)

Btw - no one's pretending to be a stuffed bunny. I'm just pretending to be an academic ;)

xoxoxo

Miffy

http://carrotblog.livejournal.com
 
MelanieC said:
I'm not sure what your point is. I might also be more likely to take you seriously if you didn't pretend to be a stuffed bunny.
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Stuffed bunny... great idea. I'll be calling the little lady and ask her to whip some up for supper. I sure hope it is ready (along with the newspaper and my slippers) when I get home from work. Maybe the kids will already have had their baths and be headed to bed early!

Brian (AKA Ward Cleaver) ;)
 
jocko, i did a small edit on your post (#24).
i know your intent was fine but jorge prefers no language like that at all.
and we all know what it means still.

ok, stuffed bunnies and scientists oh my...peace...
 
BrianShaw said:
Brian (AKA Ward Cleaver) ;)
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Oh, I forgot to say: this stuff isn't fiction, it is a biography of my childhood. Only difference is that there were three boys in my family and Mom was often running on 3 cylinders because of the Valium she took. A WONDERFUL childhood I had, indeed!
 
Stuffed bunny... great idea. I'll be calling the little lady and ask her to whip some up for supper. I sure hope it is ready (along with the newspaper and my slippers) when I get home from work. Maybe the kids will already have had their baths and be headed to bed early!

Brian (AKA Ward Cleaver)
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Well done Brian!

Are you trying to make rare game of me! :)

xoxoxo

Miffy

http://carrotblog.livejournal.com
 
Miffy has a really hard time choosing between THIS or THAT carrot.
Eenie, meenie, miney, moe....
So many different carrots to take on holiday! And only limited luggage allowance!

It is clear that Miffy has never been married and has never been bunny-whipped to fetch bunny slippers for her Hare. ;)
 
jrong said:
It is clear that Miffy has never been married and has never been bunny-whipped to fetch bunny slippers for her Hare. ;)
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Gvien the man's choice in an earlier Miffy post "should a man buy a Leica or a Zeiss camera?", perhaps Miffy's boy toy is actually a Herr. :)
 
Carrotblog said:
I choose existential freedom. And you Brian - which camera are you in bondage to now? :D
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As in my description... a Kodak Retina. But I am having a very 21st Century affair with a Hassy, and an occasional fling with a Nikon. :eek:
 
jrong said:
What 21st century bondage to marriage?

Hare (Herr) today, gone tomorrow!
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Alas it is all so true. what is mistaken for marriage in contemporary life? Convenience and one hit wonders.

I found this unkind parody of the modern 21st woman on a post. Unfortunately banter often descends to this level of objectification of women (not just cameras). I've modified the post with a few artistic liberties ;)

xoxoxo

Miffy

http://carrotblog.livejournal.com




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Carrotblog said:
Blurting about high-faluting academia is hardly conducive to rational argument; it exposes insecurity, and women and men alike need to appeal to clear reason and not dogged arguments.
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I read through all posts and can't understand your pretty offensive comment. What exactly (quote please) do you refer to when you say 'Blurting about high-faluting academia'?
 
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