RF market post Fuji X100

GSNfan said:
Art by its very definition is a unique creation that cannot be repeated. With digital you can take the same raw file and how you process it into art can be repeated infinitely. This is the biggest limitation with digital photography because software post-processing is a linear process, preprogrammed and can be repeated exactly the same way many times over. That in itself kills the notion of the artistic value of the photos - in my humble opinion.
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Many art galleries would not agree.
 
GSNfan said:
Art by its very definition is a unique creation that cannot be repeated. With digital you can take the same raw file and how you process it into art can be repeated infinitely. This is the biggest limitation with digital photography because software post-processing is a linear process, preprogrammed and can be repeated exactly the same way many times over. That in itself kills the notion of the artistic value of the photos - in my humble opinion.
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We can disagree on this one. It's cool. But I've made "art" that is the digital bits. The work was art by virtue of its quantification and its inherent repeatability. I'm very protective of my all-inclusive definition of "art", but again... I'm more than happy to disagree, for I feel richer for having had the conversation regardless. :D
 
Re: Art
I'm not sure anyone benefits when we try to limit the definiton of art. This usually only leads to mediocrity. In terms of digital's contribution to art, post processing has its strengths and limitations but have you seen any of Ansel Adam's works side by side with different choices made when developing. Adam and his hands were artists in the darkroom. It's amazing what they accomplished.

Re: Sensor development
Is my D90 "good enough?" You bet. The only thing limiting it is its owner. Could I take great photos in 20 years with it? Absolutely. But, will I want to if new sensors have no noise at any ISO, I can get perfectly sharp photos when handholding 3s shots, and they have dynamic range of the human eye? Probably not. I thinking I'll be upgrading to the Fuji X1000.
 
Quash said:
Re: Sensor development
Is my D90 "good enough?" You bet. The only thing limiting it is its owner. Could I take great photos in 20 years with it? Absolutely. But, will I want to if new sensors have no noise at any ISO, I can get perfectly sharp photos when handholding 3s shots, and they have dynamic range of the human eye? Probably not. I thinking I'll be upgrading to the Fuji X1000.
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That's what I was trying to say...it just wasn't coming out so eloquently. :eek:
 
tapesonthefloor said:
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The Fujifilm ex-hundred is being developed with the knowledge that camera disposability is levelling off. Fujifilm seems to be engineering a camera that will continue to be good enough in its interface and sensor for perhaps up to a decade. At least, I hope that's true.

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Well that is what Fujifilm is trying to make us believe to ease spending $1k+ on a fixed lens camera. But let's be honest - the X100 is bringing quite some new technology. But most of the time when something new pops out - it's get much improved in the second generation. The only way for the X100 to keep the value is to NOT introduce X200 18 moths later. Think of RD-1.

I am looking forward to see X100 performing. But I try not to have any false hopes concerning noise or dynamic range. From image point of view is is still "just" a 12 Mpix APS-C camera - hopefully with a really good lens - that's what matters, after all.
 
jsrockit said:
VGM... all I'm trying to say is whenever anyone thinks we have enough or that things have levelled off, technology moves on and proves us wrong. It doesn't mean that the current cameras suck, but that future cameras will improve in ways we cannot imagine. The Canon 5D is great. However, years from now something will come out making that seem antiquated.

I mean, 640K ought to be enough for anybody.
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True, which is part of the reason why the title of this thread might as well be "Apples market post oranges."

Cheers,

R.
 
The Fuji X100 is not going to change a thing. It's just another object of desire for some. Another tool for image making for others. Rain will fall, the wind will blow.......I don't see the X100 as anything special. All that matters is what is in your hands that produces imagery that you want. If new technology helps you get there, great!
 
This is Fuji's niche to blow.
The next major release should be a slightly larger version with a FF sensor. Same spec as the x100.
Fuji would create their own niche, fixed primes/uncompromising image quality/compact package/hybrid viewfinder.
Interchangeable lenses add size and weight and deter from the 'lensor dogma' that currently seems to be the 'engineers choice' when IQ is the paramount concern.
The offset OVF with parallax correction favors a small lens that doesn't block the view, so fixed lenses from here on out for the x-series of cameras, me thinks.
 
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