Roger Hicks
Veteran
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Oh, that's nothing. For another example of my depraved tastes, Google Alma-Tadema. Or just go straight to http://www.alma-tadema.org/ Photography is as naught when compared with some of the things that painters of "classical" subjects got up to in the 19th century. I quite like Poynter too -- go to http://www.artmagick.com/pictures/picture.aspx?id=5842&name=the-cave-of-the-storm-nymphs for "I don't know much about art but I know what I like" or to http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=...k4Usm9MOXW4ATWs4CQBg&ved=0CDMQ9QEwAg&dur=3584 for the first Poynter I ever encountered -- but I really do have doubts about Boulanger's Slave Market, http://biblioklept.org/2011/02/08/the-slave-market-gustave-boulanger/I shall never read one of your articles again, liking such a disgusting image tsk tsk tsk. Seriously the picture is not bad and I don't really see the scandal. But let's not forget Sutcliffe and his shameful depiction of bathing boys that got him excommunicated. Photography is full of perverts one should really start to forbid this artform so much perversion eek
Cheers,
R.
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Polanski's no Eric Gill, that's for sure.
Sparrow
Veteran
... thankfully only one member of my cohort became a known artist ... had they investigated my art college contemporaries many of them would have featured in this thread already I fear
DominikDUK
Well-known
Wilhelm von Gloeden and his teenage male nudes as well as Gloedens cousin Wilhelm Plüschow the later was sentenced to 8 months in prison for having sex with minors. The first is still considered one of the pioneers and masters of male nude photography he was also the first to use body make up.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Was it minors or homosexuality? I'd guess that in Italy/Sicily at that time the age of heterosexual consent was 12, and hardly rigorously enforced. I didn't know about von G. and body make up though: I suppose it makes sense for mosquito bites and the like. Thanks. My recollection is that some of that crowd were either AC/DC or (female-fancying) paedophiles -- the other one, I've just checked, was Galdi -- but that is based principally on Taschen's 1000 Nudes (which is where I checked).
Cheers,
R.
DominikDUK
Well-known
The biography I have of Plüschow clearly states "common procuration" and "seduction of minors" as well as distribution of indecent photographs. He was convicted for the last one, his conviction was part of a series of convictions against wealthy Artistocrats and Industrialists today we would say sex tourists. The most famous one was Alfred Krupp who was a homosexual and went to Capri to find lovers. Krupp's and Plüschows trial was one of the first trials by tabloid. Because you mentioned homosexuality Capri was a safe haven for european homosexuals because homosexuality was in fact not forbidden in Capri at that time. The tabloids and the trial changed that.
Sparrow
Veteran
... it's his dog I feel sorry for
Rangefinderfreak
Well-known
Chris101
summicronia
And with that, we have reached the Godwin limit.
L Collins
Well-known
He was also a member of the Nazi party BTW. Few in Nazi Germany were completely un-compromised, and the hagiography about the Leitz family is somewhat over the top.
EdwardKaraa
Well-known
Wasn't it in Yemen recently that an 8 years old bride died on her wedding night from internal hemorrhage caused by intercourse with her 40 years old groom? Also on some Kuwaiti religious website that I don't have the link anymore, an imam explains that it is allowed to marry girls as young as 6, as long as they're not penetrated until the age of 9, however all ther sexual acts are allowed, and the site goes into details I cannot mention on this forum. Roman Polanski is a saint in comparison.
Rodchenko
Olympian
Wow, there are some nutjobs around, aren't there? I'm amazed they have enough brainpower to get out of bed in the morning, let alone operate a computer.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
And his daughters.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Maybe their computers are at their bedsides? We are dealing with serious loonies here. On the other hand, 0.01% of 300 million people is still 30,000 people and probably most who are that crazy are on the internet. What else would they do all day?
Cheers,
R.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Eminently true, but equally, joining the Nazi party was not necessarily evidence of accepting Nazi ideology. It might equally have been the most basic survival strategy.
Of course we all like to think we would rather starve/die than join the Nazi party but fortunately most of us have never been faced with the actual choice.
Cheers,
R.
Rodchenko
Olympian
Your statistics are as plausible as they are depressing.
Rodchenko
Olympian
That's absolutely true. I'd like to think I would have stood with the other socialists as the first resisters to Nazism, but then I reflect on what I do every day: Shielding patients from the worst impact of the savage cuts we're facing in primary care. Am I torching the Department of Health? No. I'm negotiating for a small bridging loan.
MickH
Well-known
Lots of Germans got through that period without joining the party. Maybe your man Leitz saw membership as conveying commercial advantage rather than simply a survival strategy.
Who really knows? I'm sure I don't.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Which was, in fact, the point.
If you own a company, perhaps there is less difference between "survival strategy" and "commercial advantage" than if you are a low-grade employee.
Cheers,
R.