Huss
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I guess that free capuccino you get at a Leica Store actually costs $4300...
Sad day for me - my M9 died
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CharlesDAMorgan
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I never got a cappucino at the Wetzlar Leica store when I bought a CL* and an SL2. The proper ones with film not those digital, fast depreciating monsters. Not even a secondhand one!
*Mind you, I did make a relatively rapid 75% profit selling that within two months, so I don't feel too bad about the absent coffee on that one...
*Mind you, I did make a relatively rapid 75% profit selling that within two months, so I don't feel too bad about the absent coffee on that one...
Huss
Veteran
The Leica Store in Mayfair make delicious cappuccinos.
And they shared with me a very interesting anecdote about Seal (the singer and Leica "ambassador")
Emile de Leon
Well-known
For that extra $4.3K..
They better have show girls demo-ing the cams and serving the caps...lol..
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Huss is right, I was wrong!
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Leica+M10&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
I counted nine at first page sold recently for 4000-4200 USD range.
kshapero
South Florida Man
Back in the 50's?
Huss
Veteran
You haven't experienced the high kicking Leicettes?
Huss
Veteran
(psst, it was when the M8 came out...)
Emile de Leon
Well-known
Thats only at Radio City Music Hall!
john_s
Well-known
The HP-12 is plentiful. Get the older one with the three button cells, not the new inferior slow version that takes a coin cell. The latter is slower when doing financial calcs. There are lots on the market because it seems that they were required for people taking some courses.
After RPN, everything else is laborious. I'm showing my age. Our first was an HP-97. The older ones with card readers became unusable because the rubbery mechanism perished, including the HP-41 card reader.
Huss
Veteran
jsrockit
Moderator
I was surprised too. Completely.
Emile de Leon
Well-known
I think if the M10 had video in it..it would hold its value better..
I would probably have bought one by now if it did..
I would probably have bought one by now if it did..
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
I'm a little late in this discussion (I'm guessing the OP has heard from Leica by now), but I have to add -
Although I loved the colors it produced, there was more about the M9 I disliked than I liked; therefore, I would not spend the kind of money being discussed here on an M9. The M9 colors can be approximated with either M10 or M240 with a little post processing. Even though I do admit I liked the out-of-camera M9 colors better, the M10 counters with much better dynamic range. And, as a long-time Leica-M user the M10 film-like body (thickness and weight) makes it really fun to use. B&W conversions from RAW files (which I do often) are fabulous from either the M10 or M240.
Although this is very subjective I believe the M240 is a much better camera when compared to the M9. But, for me, the M10-P was the camera I was always waiting for!
Having said all that, in my experience, the files produced between the M-P 240 and M10-P have been pretty much indistinguishable. If you're on a budget, a BP M240 can be had for about the same price as an M9. I'd guess after using an M240 (or M-P 240) for awhile, you'll not miss the M9 much.
Although I loved the colors it produced, there was more about the M9 I disliked than I liked; therefore, I would not spend the kind of money being discussed here on an M9. The M9 colors can be approximated with either M10 or M240 with a little post processing. Even though I do admit I liked the out-of-camera M9 colors better, the M10 counters with much better dynamic range. And, as a long-time Leica-M user the M10 film-like body (thickness and weight) makes it really fun to use. B&W conversions from RAW files (which I do often) are fabulous from either the M10 or M240.
Although this is very subjective I believe the M240 is a much better camera when compared to the M9. But, for me, the M10-P was the camera I was always waiting for!
Having said all that, in my experience, the files produced between the M-P 240 and M10-P have been pretty much indistinguishable. If you're on a budget, a BP M240 can be had for about the same price as an M9. I'd guess after using an M240 (or M-P 240) for awhile, you'll not miss the M9 much.
Huss
Veteran
The only thing I miss about my M9 vs M is the greater highlight recoverability.
Everything else is so much better on the M.
Everything else is so much better on the M.
CharlesDAMorgan
Veteran
Well, that's put me off ever buying any new Digital Leica. I knew they depreciated, but not that much.
It's just like buying a new top end Benz. I'll stick to classics, no-one makes them any more so no production line of new stuff to undermine value...
It's just like buying a new top end Benz. I'll stick to classics, no-one makes them any more so no production line of new stuff to undermine value...
Mudman
Well-known
Honestly I'm surprised at how well they keep their value. Good M9s are still selling $2590-3200. M240 $2200-3500. M8 $12-1900. For the M8 and M9, that's astonishing. There is no other digital that held value like that from when they were released. I paid $3200 for my m240 3.5 years ago. People are still getting close to that, which is nuts.
Damaso
Photojournalist
Sorry for your loss!
Michael Markey
Veteran
On the contrary it`s good news as long as you don`t buy new and I never do.
Buy at a price you can afford to lose .
My film M`s are appreciating , true but I don`t look at cameras as an investment.
Certainly not digital cameras .
willie_901
Veteran
Being able to use M/LTM lenses and with a 24 x 36mm sensor while keeping the camera dimensions similar to the M6 accounted for most of the digital Leica M's short term and long term problems.
Another factor is Leica's inexperience with digital electronics during approximately 2004 through 2011.
With the Type 240 (2012), Leica resolved the engineering issues that bedeviled the M8 and M9 models.
In my view the ~seven years between the M8/M9 and the Type 240 indicate the technical difficulties encountered with M/LTM lenses, a 24 X 36mm sensor and retaining the M3-M7 body haptics.
Note that Leica T, TL, TL2, CL and Leica SL APS-C digital cameras (~2013) are as reliable as other brands.
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