porktaco
Well-known
i liked it but didn't love it. i'll look at the fuji xpro. i really wish there was an easy solution for m-glass.
jippiejee
Well-known
There is. Leica M.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
That's unfortunate. I'm liking my NEX-7 so far, and expect my feelings to deepen when my legacy glass adapters get here! That Xpro is looking mighty nice, though...
hausen
Well-known
M9 seems to be best solution, closely followed by my M6.
kxl
Social Documentary
I have pretty much convinced myself that the only DRF-like solution for me is an actual DRF.
whitecat
Lone Range(find)er
The solution for M glass is an M body.
kshapero
South Florida Man
Richard G
Veteran
That is why, under other circumstances, I would have left M lenses and moved to the X-Pro 1 and never bothered with anything but the fine Fujinons for that camera. I think the comments about digital M mount are right. Even the technical marvels of the Ricoh and M lenses left me cold when I learnt more about how it's actually done.
rbelyell
Well-known
adam have you considered a gxr with M module? i understand this may be the least expensive M oriented solution, and it is supposed to have better low light ability than either the twice priced M8 or the quintuple priced M9.
i only have the summicron-c 40/2 and elmar-c 90/4 in M mount, plus 3 m39s, but i love them all on my ep2; small camera, big photos. where have i heard that before...
tony
photografity
Established
Perhaps a RD-1 ?
porktaco
Well-known
i haven't. i should probably play with it. i don't like working off the back of the camera, though, and i think that's one big issue for me with the GXR. the EVF that you can buy seems like a bloody periscope.
it's funny... in the last week, i warmed up to the NEX but i was up against my return window and so i sent it back. what i think i'm going to do is the following:
1. go over to precision this weekend and fondle the xpro
2. torture myself about the xpro
3. torture myself about keeping my iphone simply for the camera (a $2500+ decision... money which could well be used towards.... wait for it... an m9).
4. wait for may 10 to come and go and see what leica has up its sleeve
5. make a somewhat informed decision in may unless i'm blown away by the xpro
i expect that #5 could happen. the biggest PITA about the nex was the fiddli-ness of the controls (that, and the small size which caused me to put some motion blur into more photos than i would have liked). the xpro seems much better sorted (and it has a real shutter button, on which i can mount a minisoftrelease). even if it doesn't have focus peaking, it seems like the touch-to-focus-assist process is pretty clean. i really like what i've seen from the 35 on it.
but
with two lenses (35 and 60 please, and what i really want is a 45), we're getting near $3k for the xpro. that and sending my iphone back (and foregoing the monthly charges for two years; i have a work cell which i've been using for four years and i don't really want another phone number anyway) gets me frighteningly close to an m9 body. i worry about sinking $3k into an xpro and wanting to walk away from the system in a year or two. i don't think that would happen with an m9. still, the xpro is a pretty little thing.
it's funny... in the last week, i warmed up to the NEX but i was up against my return window and so i sent it back. what i think i'm going to do is the following:
1. go over to precision this weekend and fondle the xpro
2. torture myself about the xpro
3. torture myself about keeping my iphone simply for the camera (a $2500+ decision... money which could well be used towards.... wait for it... an m9).
4. wait for may 10 to come and go and see what leica has up its sleeve
5. make a somewhat informed decision in may unless i'm blown away by the xpro
i expect that #5 could happen. the biggest PITA about the nex was the fiddli-ness of the controls (that, and the small size which caused me to put some motion blur into more photos than i would have liked). the xpro seems much better sorted (and it has a real shutter button, on which i can mount a minisoftrelease). even if it doesn't have focus peaking, it seems like the touch-to-focus-assist process is pretty clean. i really like what i've seen from the 35 on it.
but
with two lenses (35 and 60 please, and what i really want is a 45), we're getting near $3k for the xpro. that and sending my iphone back (and foregoing the monthly charges for two years; i have a work cell which i've been using for four years and i don't really want another phone number anyway) gets me frighteningly close to an m9 body. i worry about sinking $3k into an xpro and wanting to walk away from the system in a year or two. i don't think that would happen with an m9. still, the xpro is a pretty little thing.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
Financial constraints are real - they pretty much knocked the Fuji out of contention for me.
porktaco
Well-known
oh wait, and the money i could save on film! omg!
hausen
Well-known
Said perfectly Keith.
There is another solution: don't use M glass. 
I mean seriously...I use adapted Contax glass on a NEX, and other than slightly smaller size, and usually a much higher price, there is nothing that M glass does that SLR glass can't...and much that SLR glass can do that M glass can't...like wides that don't smear or color shift.
I mean seriously...I use adapted Contax glass on a NEX, and other than slightly smaller size, and usually a much higher price, there is nothing that M glass does that SLR glass can't...and much that SLR glass can do that M glass can't...like wides that don't smear or color shift.
Pablito
coco frío
There is another solution: don't use M glass.
I mean seriously...I use adapted Contax glass on a NEX, and other than slightly smaller size, and usually a much higher price, there is nothing that M glass does that SLR glass can't...and much that SLR glass can do that M glass can't...like wides that don't smear or color shift.
Yes, I get lovely results with the Nikon 20mm on the NEX.
porktaco
Well-known
a) i have an rd-1. which i adore.
b) about contax... the tipping point in my thoughts about purchasing a NEX was a photo i saw on a DP review forum of a coke bottle in front of a window taken with an NEX 5 and a contax g 45. it's glorious. i had the opportunity to buy a (black) 45 at the same time i bought my (black) 28 and waffled and didn't do it. i'm kicking myself even now. the price was good (rff classifieds!) but i thought my real need was at 28. later, i got a 35 too. i still don't have a 45. i used a cheap adapter (i bought a more complicated rig too - with a NEX to m4/3, and then a m4/3 to M because there was a nice thumbwheel on the m4/3 adapter - but i couldn't get the NEX to m4/3 on my camera; lol cheap adapters). i really liked the photos but i hated the ergonomics of the cheap adapter. if i had kept the NEX i would have bought a metabones. but i probably would have had to buy a few of them because i suck at getting adapters off of G lenses. still, your point is well taken. the lenses seem very well suited to the NEX sensor (at least from my limited experience). i would probably have looked at SLR lenses too. i do like the universal digital back part of the NEX deal.
b) about contax... the tipping point in my thoughts about purchasing a NEX was a photo i saw on a DP review forum of a coke bottle in front of a window taken with an NEX 5 and a contax g 45. it's glorious. i had the opportunity to buy a (black) 45 at the same time i bought my (black) 28 and waffled and didn't do it. i'm kicking myself even now. the price was good (rff classifieds!) but i thought my real need was at 28. later, i got a 35 too. i still don't have a 45. i used a cheap adapter (i bought a more complicated rig too - with a NEX to m4/3, and then a m4/3 to M because there was a nice thumbwheel on the m4/3 adapter - but i couldn't get the NEX to m4/3 on my camera; lol cheap adapters). i really liked the photos but i hated the ergonomics of the cheap adapter. if i had kept the NEX i would have bought a metabones. but i probably would have had to buy a few of them because i suck at getting adapters off of G lenses. still, your point is well taken. the lenses seem very well suited to the NEX sensor (at least from my limited experience). i would probably have looked at SLR lenses too. i do like the universal digital back part of the NEX deal.
rbelyell
Well-known
a couple things. first, i have the olly evf which is similar in design to the gxr's. while it looks stupid, the fact that it articulates is a huge plus for street photographers, as in 'periscope' mode, folks do not know what youre doing with the camera. plus, unlike any other mirrorless, the gxr is actually optimized for M lenses. i think this is a much better option than the xpro1, and i am a huge fuji fan, who loves his x100! it just seems the design of the xpro is not compatible with proper use of RF lenses, and in addition to being not properly compatible, its also damned expensive. it does not seem fuji gave the least consideration to using this camera with legacy lenses or using it in any but an autofocus capacity. i'm not bashing fuji, thats their business choice. all i'm saying is that is the reality, so its best to deal with that and not our 'fantasy' about what it 'should' be or how very 'pretty' it is, etc etc etc.
also, though i am not a sony fan, i have both read and seen that M lenses seem to perform better on the 5n (with vf) than on the 7, so you might want to consider that as well. finally, though i know it is sacrilige to suggest, i would personally recommend the olly om-d. as ive said, my paltry M and M39 collection fairly kick it on my ep2, and by all accounts the om-d is eons better in terms of general IQ parameters and low light/high iso up to 6400. my personal bet is in terms of IQ with RF lenses, the om-d will exceed both the xpro1 and nex7, and will be at least the equal to the 5n and gxr at all iso's. and i put my money on it, as i have a chrome kit on order!
also, though i am not a sony fan, i have both read and seen that M lenses seem to perform better on the 5n (with vf) than on the 7, so you might want to consider that as well. finally, though i know it is sacrilige to suggest, i would personally recommend the olly om-d. as ive said, my paltry M and M39 collection fairly kick it on my ep2, and by all accounts the om-d is eons better in terms of general IQ parameters and low light/high iso up to 6400. my personal bet is in terms of IQ with RF lenses, the om-d will exceed both the xpro1 and nex7, and will be at least the equal to the 5n and gxr at all iso's. and i put my money on it, as i have a chrome kit on order!