Shooting Eastman (Double-X) 5222 in the Leica

I've had mixed feelings about the Double XX but watching some photos in this thread I think I'm beginning to see the light.
 
I'm thinking out loud here, but I wonder how 5222 would render in Stoeckler/D-23 variations?

Maybe make some up in the New Year and give it a whirl.
 
Andy, It works fine in Stoeckler/D23. In the D 23 it can get some dichroic fog, but nothing a pinch of Benzo cant cure. I found that 7 minutes did it well.
The Stoeckler allows you a bit more flexibility for pushing by replacing the B bath with more aggressive stuff ( Carbonate, Hydroxide).
The Td 201 is pretty close to a D23, but more suited for modern emulsions - works well with Tmax too. Only 2 bath that really works with "flat" grain films.
The XX is remarkably tolerant with different soups and though the grain might get a bit aggressive - it works well with Beutler. Run at 320 and Beutler 1:1:8 for 11 min. Sharp and with decent mid-tones.
Has anybody compiled the various developers used and E1's with times and temperatures yet? Could be a handy reference list for this site.
 
Right now I'm looking for a time for Double X at EI 1600 in D76 stock. I kinda cocked up and forgot to check the setting on the camera before I shot the roll.
 
Mike, I would suspect that 11-12 minutes should give you a printable negative. You might loose some shadow detail though as it is a 2 stop+ push.
You could try a 14 min time and reduce the agitation cycle to 2 minute interval.
Tom
 
This talk about pushing XX reminds me of some photos I saw taken by Woolenmammoth, which I thought were absolutely amazing. What I recall (he works in motion pictures) that he interchanges XX and Fuji Neopan 1600, never uses a meter, even develops together in DDX, as I recall. One film is very grainy, the other is not, and interchangable. That struck me as a technique that I would want to learn more about. I use DDX quite a bit already with Fuji Medium Format, never tried it with XX, although I would like to, I think.

Those pushed Rodinal shots are the best I think I have seen from that developer. I tried Rodinal at 250 and didn't care for the results.
 
Tom A said:
Has anybody compiled the various developers used and E1's with times and temperatures yet? Could be a handy reference list for this site.
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Tom I have a spreadsheet (Excel format) with the info from MDC for 5222 that I have started. Quite happy to add members data to it, keep it updated and host it on my site via a link here so that people can download it for reference.

Simple format but open to customisation:

Developer | Dilution | ASA/ISO | Time | Temp | Notes | Link to example

Link to the HTML version. Any thoughts?
 
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That looks really good. Should we just send you the info you need - or are you "mining" the thread for it?
Great source material for even long term users. There are 100 + users on this site and between us we can try out anything and then put it on the MDC this way.
The more users we get hooked on it - the more chances are there that Kodak will keep it in stock.
Tom
 
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I was thinking about this last night and decided to drop having a link to an image for the time being and I have created a page on my site for now to hold all the data and resources I have gleaned so far.

Project-Double-X

I should have everything up in a couple of days and will then ask you guys to submit any info you think will fit in the relevant sections.

For the dev data just email or PM me with the following data:

Developer -
Dilution -
ASA/ISO -
Time -
Temp -
Notes -

The "Notes" should contain anything relevant to the developing, agitation technigue etc.

If anyone has any ideas as to additons and/or other sections then let me know.
 
Tom A said:
Mike, I would suspect that 11-12 minutes should give you a printable negative. You might loose some shadow detail though as it is a 2 stop+ push.
You could try a 14 min time and reduce the agitation cycle to 2 minute interval.
Tom
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I went with 14 minutes and 3 agitations every 2 minutes.

Not the best but at least it recovered an image! Not something I'd want to do on a regular basis. I mainly shoot it at EI400 and get fantastic results.
(Time to pack... there's a 21 waiting for me :) )
 
mgd711 said:
I went with 14 minutes and 3 agitations every 2 minutes.

Not the best but at least it recovered an image! Not something I'd want to do on a regular basis. I mainly shoot it at EI400 and get fantastic results.
(Time to pack... there's a 21 waiting for me :) )
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Glad you salvaged something! Love the shots at the TV studio and Nagoya Station.
 
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That's all I really wanted to do, a salvage job. I'm sure with some refinement though you could get workable images at EI1600 but 400 suits me well.

I'm glad you liked the images in Japan, back there tomorrow! (Unfortunate in some way's as I won't be home until the middle of next month but I've a nice Biogon C waiting on me as compensation!).

I'm trying to get back in the studio (Philippines) my friend is the producer, Im slowly trying to get him hooked on Double X :)
 
Well following my post at the top of the page I have moved things on in order to share data and info.

No longer on my site but here:

Project Double-X

All thoughts, contributions, data and info welcome.
 
Many thanks and I hope we can grow it into a useful resource. I will start trawling the thread and pick up any other dev data etc. If you have anything to contribute then PM me with the details.

In my quest to push Double-X I did some shots at my son's schools christmas carol service. These were at 1600 asa and developed in Diafine 4 + 4 in my Jobo CPE2 at 60 rpm.

I like grain and am amazed how small and tight the salt & pepper grain is. OK I blew the highlights in a trade off here but I am still impressed.
 
Agreed Andy. Nice resource! It would be good if you could find space to list some of Tom A's times and custom developer combinations too.
 
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