Summicron 50mm M

The only 50mm Summicron I have is the DR which I inherited along with my M3. I love the 50mm focal length, and now own several, from the old Canon LTM f1.2 (which I bought from you more than 15 years ago!) to the new Zeiss C-Sonnar f1.5, and a collapsible f3.5 Elmar.

Each of these lenses are lovely in their own way, and I pull them out for specific uses. The Elmar is the lightest and most compact, and the Canon f1.2 and the Sonnar are great for shallow depth of field portraits and such where I want the vignette or bokeh effects. But as an everyday, any subject, all kinds of light, carry everywhere/do everything lens, the Dual Range Summicron is my go-to. It has a lovely, very sharp rendering, especially stopped down- but it's not super sharp, almost clinical like some modern lenses. Most of the time I have black and white negative film in my camera, and when shooting negatives I don't want super high contrast on my film. I will adjust the contrast in print or in the computer to suit each image. You can always add contrast, but if it's high contrast to begin with because of the lens or the developer there's only so much detail you can recover.

Sometimes I think I'd like to add a Rigid or a V4 'cron to my kit, just to have a lighter weight Summicron; but the weight is the only real reason I'd want a different 50mm 'cron. For me that's not really enough of a reason to own two of them; optically the DR does everything I want it to. If I shot chromes much these days (like if Kodachrome were still available...sigh...) I might want something with a little more bite to it; but I find lower contrast lenses are ideal for making negatives, and the DR is all I could need for that.
 
Love my v4. No complaints. No flare. Perfect contrast. Sharp yes. Maybe wish my focus was a tad less stiff, but nothing is truly perfect.
 
I've owned the collapsible (aka v1), rigid (v2), and the version 3, which I still have.
I found the collapsible to be fine from f4 down, but wide open, my copy was very soft.

The Rigid was very sharp, very well built, and pretty low in contrast. I didn't like it on film, for some reason. Too flat. I have a Konishiroku from that same era, which is higher in contrast and just as sharp, so I kept that and sold the rigid.

The third version, while not as well built as the rigid, nor as sharp with the fine details, is a good compromise between sharpness and higher contrast. It looks good on film and digital (where the slight loss of acuity vs the rigid also makes digital files seem more "filmic"). Someone, somewhere, once described the version 3 as "humanist", and I would agree with that. Nice Mandler design.
 
This thread is bad for me because I've been thinking about getting a 50mm. I've been a dedicated 35 shooter for years and I'm contemplating shaking things up.
 
Leica M3, Summicron 50mm v4.

Erik.

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1. The bear claw tab on my v4 Canadian Summicron would be my favourite thing about it, if it’s not the lightness compared to the chrome Summilux it replaced. The next ergonomic genius Leitz put into these lenses was the reversible hood with cap. No chance of shooting with the lens cap on and the hood is always close by.

2. Two corollaries of that. While it is so often said that Leica is all about the glass, nearly always now my decisions are on ergonomics. As said above: all 50s are good. Maybe this is going further than Orville Robertson’s wonderfull RFF counter to ‘its all about the glass’ years ago, pointing out that Leica is all about the camera and its controls and viewfinder and simplicity. He used an M5.

3. For the 35mm shooters thinking they might like to try a 50: take care. I used a 50 on my M2 last weekend, after shooting so much digital with mostly 28s, and I loved the single 50 frame lines which were nearly all I ever saw for a couple of decades but I was really struggling to get what I wanted in the frame. Surprised I didn’t fall over backwards a couple of times or tread on anyone’s toes. Weirdly I have no trouble interspersing use of the IIIf and 50 Elmar with SBOOI finder.
 
The "bokeh king" is v4 in 35mm FWIW🙂

Regarding 50mm lenses, the one thing to point out is that v4 and 5 Summicrons share the same optical formula, and have shorter throw than v3 as I recall.
David

Yes, the focus throw is shorter than with the Version III; and that is what accounts for its compressed, less useful DOF scale. This is the main reason reason I prefer the III to the IV. I almost always compose in depth, not in a flat plane, and I'm fussy about depth of field. I'm not as fussy as Erwin Puts about the IV and V having flat surfaces. I had one and I know it's plenty sharp enough! But I can do a better job of keeping my picture within the "zone of acceptable unsharpness" with my version III (or II or I).
 
Which version would you buy?
Is the Rigid Summicron inferior to more modern versions?
Which is your favorite Summicron M 50mm ?
v4 made in Germany (the last one with the reversible shade). You'll generally save a few hundred dollars over the v5, but they both share the same lens formula.
 
The "bokeh king" is v4 in 35mm FWIW🙂

Regarding 50mm lenses, the one thing to point out is that v4 and 5 Summicrons share the same optical formula, and have shorter throw than v3 as I recall. The reason to get v4 over 5 might be if you don't love the built-in hood on the newer version and prefer to have a focus tab, the v4 has that and requires detachable hood. If you do want a newer Summicron for less than 5K, either of those would be a great choice! I recently traded my v5 away to upgrade and try Summilux ASPH, but have no doubt I will replace my Summicron when I am able.

David


I do love the hood. It seems I never have the right hood for the right lens at the right time. But with V5 the hood is always there. Same for my 90 and (very old) 135 Elmarits.


I think on film the rigid (or VC 1.5, or Zeiss 1.5) have a little more character then the V5. But V5 is too good and on digital the only way to go.
 
So after checking it turns out mine is version 5 (got in used for under $1k in mint condition years ago):

Here are examples taken with the lens (with an M6):

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Collapsible: Could have more contrast at f/2, but bokeh is the nicest of all the Summicrons. Not very flare resistant. Very hard to get in good condition.

Rigid: Similar to the collapsible. Bokeh is a little bit harsher, but still fine for me. Looks great, but also hard to get in good condition.

DR: Doesn't looks as good as the rigid.

V3: Bokeh crosses over into "No thanks" territory.

V4 and Pre-asph: Ditto, no thanks. And flare-y. The pre-asph is a nice looking lens, though.

APO ASPH: Smooth bokeh returns! And the revision is more flare-resistant. But at what cost? And IMO, the design of the new built-in hood is meh.

Conclusion: I wish someone made a replica of the collapsible or rigid. *hint*hint* 😀
 
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