UK Police Tell Photographers To Carry ID's

[Roger Hicks]

Well you can hardly call your back of beyond village as typical to the situation. Try frequenting the hot quarters of the major cities - that would resemble more closely the situation we are comparing to the London Metropole.


Please leave out any racism. How can one look "offensively foreign" in a multi cultural society? Land of the "Droite de L' Homme"?

Dear George,

First, I travel a lot, and I do in fact visit major cities. And I drive to (and through) them, or go by motorcycle. Except Paris, where I sometimes take the train.

Second, don't be ridiculous. If you can't spot that for a joke, no wonder people stop you. You must have aggression oozing from every pore. It's not even racist. How do you tell where someone is from, unless (perhaps) they are talking loudly in English or wearing Bermuda shorts and a Hawaiian shirt?

Third, the last time I was hassled by the police was in Clacton, a couple of years ago, and the time before that was in Minnis Bay. Not exactly 'hot quarters of major cities.' Besides which, 'major cities' does not give the police any extra powers.

Once in Paris a policeman strolled over, waiting until after I had taken my picture, to point out that I really should have a tripod permit. That's it for Paris (since 1972).

Cheers,

R.

 

[wgerrard]

I recommend ignoring the police. Do what you wish to do within the law. Be polite and helpful but let them deal with you. I had this issue in london a few years back and continued shooting as the sun dropped, answering their questions (they checked me against the PNC etc as I shot, explaining that I would lose the light otherwise...

Well, you didn't actually ignore them, but answered their questions. And that seems to me a rational approach to take with the real police. Answer the questions, don't provoke them, don't resist them, and don't give them any reason to levy a charge unrelated to photography. If you are detained, even under the UK terror acts, you want it to be explicitly for taking pictures because that is more likely to generate pro-photographer media coverage and potentially provide a better test case in court.

 

[mark-b]

Sheezits, might as well register the camera and a waiting period to cool off before picking it up just like with firearms!

 

[George9]

Stop and Account and under Section 44

Stop and Account and under Section 44

New news from AP.

The head of counter terrorism at the Metropolitan Police has re-issued guidelines to officers, saying that they must use 'common sense' when approaching photographers.

Well...it's not been tried before.🙄

Here's one that George Carlin would love: "front-line uniform staff"






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[outfitter]

You folks across the pond need to get yourself a written constitution - the Queen in Parliament is sovereign stuff just leaves you no recourse. Of course here in the land of the free and the brave, after 9/11 even a low level park employee stopped me from photographing my grandson feeding the ducks in front of the Croton Reservoir! At least I knew she had no right and I had recourse, in the UK there is no recourse from an act of Parliament (save the election polls).

 

[Roger Hicks]

You folks across the pond need to get yourself a written constitution - the Queen in Parliament is sovereign stuff just leaves you no recourse. Of course here in the land of the free and the brave, after 9/11 even a low level park employee stopped me from photographing my grandson feeding the ducks in front of the Croton Reservoir! At least I knew she had no right and I had recourse, in the UK there is no recourse from an act of Parliament (save the election polls).

Not exactly. The Sovereign is 'beneath God and the law' and the problem in the cases discussed above is not so much the Act of Parliament as the capricious enforcement thereof.

There have also been cases in the UK of the Human Rights Act 'trumping' Acts of Paliament and (still more frequently) Orders in Council. Quite honestly, having lived in the UK, USA and France, the big difference is the common sense or otherwise of those who enforce the law, and the degree of hysteria of the people.

Cheers,

R.

 

[Kevin]

Common Purpose, a criminal organisation that abuses government posts for gain

Common Purpose, a criminal organisation that abuses government posts for gain

Although it has 80,000 trainees in 36 cities, 30,000 graduate members and enormous power, Common Purpose (CP) is largely unknown to the general public.

It recruits and trains its leaders to work "beyond authority," to abuse their posts and serve Common Purpose, instead of their own departments, which they then undermine. Its members control the NHS, where it wastes £60 billion, much of it going into private pockets; and controls most of Britains 8,500 quangos which spend £167 billion annually, according to the Cabinet Office. Most of that is waste.

Business rates and tax go up, services go down, the difference is spent on yet more CP quangos. CP is identifying leaders in all levels of British government to assume power when its nation is replaced by the European Union, in what they call “the post democratic era.” They are learning to rule without democracy, and will bring the EU police state home to every one of them.

Common Purpose is a criminal organisation that enables fraud to be committed across these government departments to reward pro European local politicians. Corrupt deals are enabled that put property or cash into their pockets by embezzling public assets.

It has members in the NHS, BBC, the police, the legal profession, the church, many of Britain’s 8,500 quangos, local councils, schools, social services, the Civil Service, government ministries, Parliament, and it controls many RDA's (Regional Development Agencies).

Here an interesting interview with Brian Gerrish on EM TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxYUXRxgDY4

 

[Nikkor AIS]

The whole idea of "having" to carry idea somewhat sticks in my crawl. In Canada we have the right to be free from this type of gestapo type of "paper please". Im glad to live in a country that still respects the rights and freedoms of the individual over the states paranoia. In Canada we have a the document of "Rights and Freedom's" which insure us that are rights and freedom's can't be rolled over by the government.

Gregory

 

[Kevin]

Almost forgot about Gerrish's 'State of the Nation' lecture, a must see for all concerned citizens, both in the UK and beyond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Pvs-pgbic

 

[Florian1234]

If it was not said before: Could anybody show this to her royal majesty? Maybe that would help!

 

[firruddo]

Thanhks for shaing:
It recruits and trains its leaders to work "beyond authority," to abuse their posts and serve Common Purpose, instead of their own departments, which they then undermine. Its members control the NHS, where it wastes £60 billion, much of it going into private pockets; and controls most of Britains 8,500 quangos which spend £167 billion annually, according to the Cabinet Office. Most of that is waste.

 

[Roger Hicks]

Although it has 80,000 trainees in 36 cities, 30,000 graduate members and enormous power, Common Purpose (CP) is largely unknown to the general public.

It recruits and trains its leaders to work "beyond authority," to abuse their posts and serve Common Purpose, instead of their own departments, which they then undermine. Its members control the NHS, where it wastes £60 billion, much of it going into private pockets; and controls most of Britains 8,500 quangos which spend £167 billion annually, according to the Cabinet Office. Most of that is waste.

Business rates and tax go up, services go down, the difference is spent on yet more CP quangos. CP is identifying leaders in all levels of British government to assume power when its nation is replaced by the European Union, in what they call “the post democratic era.” They are learning to rule without democracy, and will bring the EU police state home to every one of them.

Common Purpose is a criminal organisation that enables fraud to be committed across these government departments to reward pro European local politicians. Corrupt deals are enabled that put property or cash into their pockets by embezzling public assets.

It has members in the NHS, BBC, the police, the legal profession, the church, many of Britain’s 8,500 quangos, local councils, schools, social services, the Civil Service, government ministries, Parliament, and it controls many RDA's (Regional Development Agencies).

Here an interesting interview with Brian Gerrish on EM TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxYUXRxgDY4

Dear Kevin,

How many members have you personally known? Did they try to recruit you, or what? Where are their training schools? How do they recognize one another? A secret handshake?

Cheers,

R.