ferider
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Maybe. I have to remind myself that not all Germans had to go through the same marriage therapy sessions and HR classes
Huss
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You deleted all the pics you took with your M240? Weird.
Huss
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You didn't like the M10 much more or less than the M you have or the SL.
Huzzah. Isn't it great you don't need to buy one?
G
Who does? I guess this can become a philosophical debate.
What does anyone actually need?
Huss
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We are seeing it, which is why I posted those pics for colour critique, shot in a range of lighting conditions. What is it that you see? I am genuinely curious.
All I did to these pics was select the white point level.
My monitor is calibrated using an x-rite display calibrator (which honestly was the single most important photographic tool that i have ever bought!)
Huss
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I agree with your points, my experience with it just runs counter to those who handled it briefly, or those who just read about out, and immediately had to have one. That I just don't get unless it is to own the latest and greatest.
And yeah, $3500 is very easy to come by in my business. Difference being I see the value in that for the SL, coming from the M240, not the M10.
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No, but the photos I kept have all been processed. So posting them side by side an M10 photo really wouldn't tell you much.
There's a higher level of pixel clarity and I prefer the colour output right out of the camera. The colour fidelity remains at high ISO's something I'd never use as almost all of my night shooting is on the Monochrom.
I'm going to London next month, just going to bring the M10 and see how it works out.
I'll be honest, I never really used my M240 much and always picked up the Monochrom.
Since I traded it for the SL I've been shooting more colour again, as I prefer the output. That's why I picked up an M10, I wasn't going to bother and just stick with the SL.
But the SL's a beast to lug around all day while traveling, so an M10 it was.
cheers/k.
Huss
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One point that I may have missed, and this is a very important one, is that if the design of the M10 brings back a joy in photography that perhaps was previously lacking, and it makes you want to go out and take pics, then that is completely worth it.
Huss
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No kidding! The M10 can be carried discretely due to it's form, but the SL looks super serious, and feels that way.
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Most definitely. The EVF's nothing short of stellar, but lugging it around's another story...
The M10's great, with a fast 50, or anything smaller it sits under your coat without being noticed.
Thatspec
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Just looked through the M10 viewfinder the other day and without my 240 to compare couldn't see any difference. The pluses for me would be the frameline preview lever, the ability to change the zoom focus point in LV, and the improved resolution evf available. The peaking is better too. For use as a digital rangefinder camera I'd wait three years to get one but I use my 240 as more of an all around digital camera (and still I'll wait)...
johannielscom
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Leica SL: 847 grammes, battery included. 147 x 39 x 104 mm
Leica M10: 660 grammes, battery included. 139 x 39 x 80 mm.
For comparison: the Nikon F5 weighs 1445 grammes and measures 150 x 157 x 79mm.
So much for 'lugging around'.
Use an adapter and the Leica M lenses on the SL, and the difference is negligible.
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I do use an M adapter and mostly M lenses, the weight of the SL and the M adapter is the same weight as my M10 with a 50 Apo.
It's not just the weight factor, the physical size of the SL makes it a lot harder to carry under a jacket, and is a lot more obvious to people when taking a photo.
Why anyone would want to lug around an F5, is beyond me...
Godfrey
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Ask someone who has lugged around a Hasselblad 500 and Sonnar 150mm for some street shooting ... ? :angel:
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Interesting comments by the OP.
I loved the SL and agree it is a really great camera. But just for me, it really is too big and way too heavy to lug around for several hours.
The M10 would fit the ticket, except I am perfecty happy with combination of the Q and a freezer of film for my M4's and MP-6
I loved the SL and agree it is a really great camera. But just for me, it really is too big and way too heavy to lug around for several hours.
The M10 would fit the ticket, except I am perfecty happy with combination of the Q and a freezer of film for my M4's and MP-6
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I brought my 500CM and 80mm to Italy back in the 80's, got some lovely photos but I wouldn't want to carry it around now.
When traveling I walk everywhere, usually 25/30kms a day.
I don't mind the M246 and a 50, but the M10 seems like the ticket.
I'll find out next month, that's the only body I'm taking this time.
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That's a great combo, nothing not to like there!
FrozenInTime
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I find there's a lot more to walking around all day than weight:
A film M with a small lens like a 35 Summicron is light enough to carry on a wrist strap for many hours.
The thicker digital Ms with a 35 summicron is just that little bit more difficult to grip and carry on the wrist.
Both film and digital Ms with a Noctilux are holdable on a wrist strap for only a half an hour.
Any M with Noctilux or 90 Summicron on the shoulder is unbalanced as the lens tips the body.
A film M with leicavit has more area and weight so holds all lenses better on the shoulder without bouncing around and only tips with the longer lenses.
It will be interesting to see how the M10+grip that gives it extra height handles.
A Hasselbald 500 series with WLF and 80mm hands on the shoulder perfectly without bouncing around.
A Hasselbald 500 with 45 degree prism and 80mm tips over and is a pain.
A camera+bag weight over 2kg is my limit for all day walkabout - after that a backpack is the choice.
How carry-able is the SL - it might work well with the Noctilux on the shoulder.
With its larger native lenses, I guess it tips over but does it hang well vertically ?
A film M with a small lens like a 35 Summicron is light enough to carry on a wrist strap for many hours.
The thicker digital Ms with a 35 summicron is just that little bit more difficult to grip and carry on the wrist.
Both film and digital Ms with a Noctilux are holdable on a wrist strap for only a half an hour.
Any M with Noctilux or 90 Summicron on the shoulder is unbalanced as the lens tips the body.
A film M with leicavit has more area and weight so holds all lenses better on the shoulder without bouncing around and only tips with the longer lenses.
It will be interesting to see how the M10+grip that gives it extra height handles.
A Hasselbald 500 series with WLF and 80mm hands on the shoulder perfectly without bouncing around.
A Hasselbald 500 with 45 degree prism and 80mm tips over and is a pain.
A camera+bag weight over 2kg is my limit for all day walkabout - after that a backpack is the choice.
How carry-able is the SL - it might work well with the Noctilux on the shoulder.
With its larger native lenses, I guess it tips over but does it hang well vertically ?
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The SL is the perfect camera for the Noctilux, the EVF makes precise focusing an easy task.
It's a heavy combo, I have the e58 f1. Due to the height of the body it doesn't tip lens down. That was a boon for the 500CM and the 80mm, made it easy to pack around.
The M10 being essentially the same size as a film M is what is known as 'a big deal.'
All the other differences are peripheral.
If the M10 were the same size as previous models some consumers would of course still be 'upgrading', but there is a big reason why Leica reduced the size; namely, they know it's a 'big deal' to Leica shooters. They will sell a them in large numbers (relative to Leica, not to other manufacturers.)
The majority of Leicaphiles thumb their noses at the M5; over time it will be the same with the larger M digitals.
All the other differences are peripheral.
If the M10 were the same size as previous models some consumers would of course still be 'upgrading', but there is a big reason why Leica reduced the size; namely, they know it's a 'big deal' to Leica shooters. They will sell a them in large numbers (relative to Leica, not to other manufacturers.)
The majority of Leicaphiles thumb their noses at the M5; over time it will be the same with the larger M digitals.
Huss
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I almost feel that this will be the future of the SL.
It is so freakin awesome, but so different than what the avg M user expects or wants. Yeah, it is not meant to be an M replacement but everything that Leica makes or has ever made is measured against the M.