Upgrade to the M 10?

maggieo said:
This, along with the slimmer profile, much quieter shutter, and the grip/thumbwheel is what is tempting me to trade away my M8 and M9-P for the M10.
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I would say from an M8/9 it would be a very good upgrade, from an M240 not as much of a leap, just more refined.

The AWB, colour, and the RF are the big improvements over the M240, the shutter sounds about the same.

As for the Monochrom M246, it's still the king of black and white.
The M10's conversions are very good, but the M246 wins, hands down.
 
johnwolf said:
Hi Maggie,

My experience is that you'll have better luck calling Leica NJ. I recently got mine back with a new sensor and noted their email response was very poor. Things started happening when I picked up the phone. Mine took twelve weeks, but that was for an MM.

At some point they will no doubt terminate the good faith upgrade. I'd certainly send it in if I were you. Time flies, and before you know it, you'll have it back again like new.

John
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Excellent. I'll get on the phone tomorrow!
 
johnwolf said:
Hi Maggie,

My experience is that you'll have better luck calling Leica NJ. I recently got mine back with a new sensor and noted their email response was very poor. Things started happening when I picked up the phone. Mine took twelve weeks, but that was for an MM.

At some point they will no doubt terminate the good faith upgrade. I'd certainly send it in if I were you. Time flies, and before you know it, you'll have it back again like new.

John
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There is no time limit on the sensor replacement guaranty. It will end when sensor production has stopped and Leica's stockpile runs out, I suppose, which may well be quite a few years from now. Even then I guess it will be replaced by a discount program.
 
Nowhereman said:
Maggie, wonderful color in your pictures above. I sold my M9-P and MM to a dealer in Bangkok at a little more than the going price in the States and ordered an M10 in Paris, where I am now but, as it hasn't arrived yet, I cannot say anything from personal experience. My decision was based on a discussion with a very good professional photographer, whose colors sense and work are superb.

His impression is that the M10 is operationally night and day from the M9, and that it feels like the Leica M that we all wanted when the M8 was released. His feeling is that with a few adjustments in Lightroom one can get pretty close to the M9 look — though he thinks that there may still be something inexplicably special about that look. He feels that, compared to the M9, the M10 sensor is almost too good, in that it can have something of a homogenizing effect. He said that the M9 was a challenge, especially in low light, but sometimes challenges pay off in better images, like using film. He feels that probably with the M10 one may have to "rough up" the image somewhat.

Also, he thinks that the M10 B&W conversions look very good, though it seems that the MM may be a little better, but again, depending on post-processing, it could really be splitting hairs. For my work, the superiority of the MM over the M9 was not really important because I was never after the "exquisite" look that the MM can give.
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Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine
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Based on my short time working with a M10 (current M9 and MM user), in my opinion, the posting above and in the opinion of that photographer who assessed the M10, I feel he hit the nail on the head in all he touched upon. None more so than his statement that the M10 images sometimes appear to project a homogenizing effect. I noticed this in many of the raw files I assessed and yes I do fully understand what one can do with raw files.

I found it to be a lovely camera both functionally and for the most part in its output, but if by some magical means one could have the output of a M9 in a body with all the attributes and functionality of a M10 including high ISO performance etc, vs. the M10 with its very pleasing and quite exceptional output, I would have no hesitation in deciding which one I would pick.

Unfortunately, use of the M9 can often be limiting for a wide variety of shooting circumstance and we all know these shortcoming and limitations. The question is can one work with them and value its positive attributes more than it's negatives and weaknesses? The answer of course is both personal and will differ from user to user. Just my personal thoughts.

Dave (D&A)
 
FrozenInTime said:
How carry-able is the SL - it might work well with the Noctilux on the shoulder.
With its larger native lenses, I guess it tips over but does it hang well vertically ?
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I'm a 5'10", 152 pounds, and a 59 year old man. The SL surely is bigger than a "M" and it gets heavy with "R" glass and mucho heavy with any current native lenses.

I use the baseplate from a Nikon AH-4 handstrap to hang my SL like a M5 using the OEM neckstrap that came with the SL. Ergonomically makes a huge difference and when worn with my arm to the side the package is pretty low profile.

Anyways even a 35 Lux-R is E67 and is the same size as an 80 Lux. Still smaller than a Nikon F5 which happens to be my current favorite film SLR.

So anyways in my past I am known to walk all day in NYC at times carrying three M-Bodies rigged out with lenses with one camera in hand and the others carried. Also have shot carrying two rigged medium format cameras all day, and perhaps walking 10-12 miles every Saturday and Sunday. Also know at times I go walking with a Pentax 67II. Whenever I leave my apartment with a camera, it more or less is an all day commitment to carrying my gear all day.

Anyways from carrying cameras I have a very thick neck for a skinny guy that is a bit monstrous like a football player. Also know my right arm is kinda overdeveloped and is about an inch longer than my left arm. So I am physically deformed from carrying cameras, and my tailor says that my extra thick neck and extra long right arm are kinda unusual. BTW I do not look my age.

Cal
 
New Yorkers are generally in better shape than the avg Joe w/car...because they walk...everywhere..
And are able to handle their poundage of cameras..with a smile..on their face..
 
Emile de Leon said:
New Yorkers are generally in better shape than the avg Joe w/car...because they walk...everywhere..
And are able to handle their poundage of cameras..with a smile..on their face..
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Emile,

I wear my deformities as a badge of honor, although a very thick neck on an otherwise skinny guy does kinda look funny. LOL.

Anyways the price of a car, since I don't own one, allows me to afford Leicas. The money has to come from somewhere.

I expect delivery of a 50 Lux-SL this Friday. I will knickname this lens "The Porker" because it is E82 filter size, about a half inch shorter than a collapsed 24-90, and only 2.6 ounces lighter than the gigantic and heavy 24-90. BTW Leica lent me a 24-90 to use for NYC Fashion Week. The in lens image stabilization is a big deal. I printed some crazy slow shutter speed night shots that look like tripod shots. I think Godfrey has it right: the SL in leu of a DSLR.

Anyways I kinda see that Leica kinda is giving away a free gym membership with each native SL lens they sell. Anyways Leica is helping me stay young in many ways.

Cal
 
Emile de Leon said:
New Yorkers are generally in better shape than the avg Joe w/car...because they walk...everywhere..
And are able to handle their poundage of cameras..with a smile..on their face..
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I'm in California and I try to walk and bicycle as much as I can. :)

The SL fitted with SL24-90 and in the Tenba Cooper 13DSLR bag with the Elmar-R 180mm f/4 and Tri-Elmar-M 16-18-21mm weighs in at well under 8 lbs total. I don't use a neckstrap at all ... I wear the bag bandolier style and keep the camera and whatever lens is fitted in my hand and attached to me with a wrist leash. I've walked for upwards of three hours with this kit and didn't find it difficult or overwhelming.

G
 
maggieo said:
I've contacted Leica NJ to put me on the waiting list for a sensor replacement. So, here's hoping that the M9-P gets shipped off in June and is back in July.

I love it so. This is the combo I used for all of my Cuba photos (well, the lens hood is dented now):


Zeiss C Biogon 35/2.8 on Leica M9-P, January 26, 2013 by Maggie Osterberg, on Flickr
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Maggie,

After owning the SL a while and then shooting my Monochrom, I found my Monochrom to be a rather primitive and most basic digital camera, and there is some big time charm there that reminds me of why I still shoot a lot of film with old retro cameras.

Warts and all I still love my Monochrom, and because it is so basic it is still so much fun to use.

The M246 kinda crushes my Monochrome in almost every manner and is so much more advanced: more shadow detail, smoother roll off in the highlights, higher dynamic range, bigger files, higher ISO..., but in one regard the Monochrom has one major advantage: it has a broad rich midrange that resembles larger formats.

Anyways my Monochrom still remains a great camera, warts and all.

Cal
 
Thoughts on upgrading to M10 from 240M-P

Thoughts on upgrading to M10 from 240M-P

Hello All,
I'm considering upgrading my M-P for the M10 to take advantage of the increased ISO and DR. I really don't need the video capabilities of the M-P. Has anyone here made the transition and are you happy with your choice?
Regards from Alaska
RC
 
I've certainly thought about it, particularly now that the M10 is generally available. My problem is my M-240 still performs perfectly, and while I would appreciate the reported improvement in the M10 rangefinder, the cost of replacing my M-240 Leica grip, RRS baseplate, half case, EVF, and buying the M10 specific +1 diopter makes it too big of a price jump for me at this time.
 
Swapping backwards and forwards between the M10 and the M240 at the dealership, I could notice there was a little difference in the VF, but negligible for me.
I'm not sold on DR increases either, as IMO if you correctly expose a shot you do not need it. And from all the pics posted online, I could not tell which camera took them.

For me what it boils down to is the smaller body and revised details like ISO dial. The smaller body is nice.
 
And of course the upgrade is free, so you don't have to worry about how much the incremental improvements are going to cost. You just have to think about how much your photographs will actually improve by moving to the M10.
 
ptpdprinter said:
And of course the upgrade is free, so you don't have to worry about how much the incremental improvements are going to cost. You just have to think about how much your photographs will actually improve by moving to the M10.
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M-P to M10 upgrade for free?
 
I upgraded to the M10 from an 240 when it first came out.

All the little improvements add up, VF, ISO, white balance, etc...
As Huss said, the biggest one is the size and that alone, was worth it for me.
 
I have the M 262 and the M 10 and the M 10 is more responsive and the much better high ISO. Very usable at 12,800. No banding like with the M 262. For the street it is a dream though I still love my original MM for that.
 
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