loneranger
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Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t understand the excitement over this. Another super sharp lens, that can resolve two hairs from 10 miles, but does it have much character? I’ll stick with my collapsible Cron for now.
Voigtländer 2/50 APO-M mount! PREORDER $999
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nzeeman
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someone asked about size-it seems it is roughly the same as original 50/1.5 ltm nokton-5mm shorter so a bit less protrusion into vf. i guess many people had that one so its maybe best for estimation.
james.liam
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You have to have shot with the Leica 50 APO to 'get it'; the lens neither adds nor detracts from the image. Like a slice of life as it is. The bokeh is neutral so the high contrast and resolution make it look like the subject is chiseled out of the frame.
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pushto1600
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$999! Now I have no excuse but to grab this thing. I was certain it was going to be more than $1200.
huddy
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Not going to be in the cards for me for now, but it's definitely on my list of lenses I'd love to own one day and pickup secondhand. Would go well on my M6TTL and adapt well to a Nikon Z body.
james.liam
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At $999, the first batch is probably already spoken for and you may have to wait for some time.
pushto1600
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Has anybody had to wait for a voigtlander lens on backorder before? It's not like the newest nikkor 24-70mm Z lens. or am I totally wrong. Has any lens in Voigtlander history been in this high of demand?
james.liam
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It is unique insofar as the Sony version is a known quantity and is recognized as superlative. The equivalent Leica, already something like 8 years older, is over $8000. They are made in batches and anyone who’s ever shot the Leica knows what it is capable of. Stopping down is only for DOF. At f/2 it’s as good as it can get.
Put differently, the Leica 50 APO at f/2 is on par or superior to nearly all other 50’s at f/5.6 in terms of resolution and contrast. The E-mount version of this Voigtländer APO lens, by report, is in that league.
Put differently, the Leica 50 APO at f/2 is on par or superior to nearly all other 50’s at f/5.6 in terms of resolution and contrast. The E-mount version of this Voigtländer APO lens, by report, is in that league.
Ko.Fe.
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Don't be silly. Cosina Viogtlander is not on Zeiss, 7tartisans design failure side of RF lenses. Those are VF blockers makers.
This lens is less weight than Summarit 50 1.5 and close in size. Same size, if not shorter than nothing special and way too overpriced now ZM Planar.
This is how it looks like on M:
https://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/1293/681/html/06.jpg.html
brusby
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Looks kinda like gen 1 and 2 50mm Summilux.
David Murphy
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I would say the fact it is an apochromatic lens design is what make this lens so interesting. This approach has proven to deliver color fidelity in images which is notably superior to non-apo designs. That has been my personal experience as well, with camera lenses, binoculars and telescopes too. Seeing such optics in action usually makes one a believer.
Such optical designs are often pricey, but the price of this one is quite modest for what it claims to be. The nearest competitor is the APO 50/2 Cron from Leica, at about $9K. That makes the Voigtlander a relative bargain.
brusby
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I agree about being a bargain. But, the current 50mm Summilux is reported to be an APO design. Still much more expensive but the differential is not quite so great.
cboy
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I meant ttartisans/7artisans have been making alternative m mount lens to their leica counterparts. This head to head looks more promising...
Anyways i hope to see a comparison review soon. But im thinking leica will have the edge as it has fewer elements and most likely more exotic glass. OTOH apo lanthar has double asph & FLE!
https://m.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=254&t=5975261
Above link to emount version to leica apo
Oh btw In Australia its available for preorder at $1,495.00aud
nzeeman
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why always leica fantasies interrupt other makers threads? ok you love your expensive glass, also you like to turn the blind eye to all flaws and to battles they lose-good for you. now let people enjoy getting equal quality for 1/5 the money.
WJJ3
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Interesting point about this lens having floating elements. Looking at the E mount version info, I don’t see floating elements listed anywhere for that lens, but the info page for this new VM version indeed lists floating element design as one of the points that contribute to its high level imaging.
This is only the second VM lens that has floating elements. It’s really cool to see Cosina continue to treat us with these exciting new high performance lenses!
cboy
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This forum is all about cameras and lenses in comparison to one another...its exciting to see new products on how they will be compared to each other. Sure its partly GAS. But the novelty in making comparisons is what makes it intresting, otherwise everyone would just have one lens of a particular focal length and never bother considering another. The 50mm is the most common focal length in which many users have more than one 50.
Im much hoping that this lens equals in comparison to the apo leica. The point was not to discredit any maker and i applaud voigtlander for its excellence. A double aspherical and FLE in the one lens is quite unique which rightly garners intrest and comparison. And from checking the comparison link the sample images between the emount version and leica apo suggest differences are hardly discernable, albeit small and likely insignificant.
The fact the differences will be marginal also puts to question the price markup of leica lenses. Its a marvel that cosina has been able to create manufacturing processes that could lower productions cost but still maintain a high level of manufacturing quality. Their innovation of adapting large scale manufacturing techniques to smaller production runs to reduce cost was even adopted by leica in order for them to be economically viable.
Its been claimed by leica that the high cost of excellence in performance wide open has been attributed to exotic glass types requiring special surface treatments and precise mounting procedures that are expensive in time and material. Notwithstanding high labour cost in Germany; given the quality of this new lens by cosina produced at much reasonable cost, it can be argued if Leica can still substantiate the cost of its lenses over performance. Time will tell...
The original 50/1.5 uses 52mm filters, this new lens is 49mm-
Either way, I will let people know when the lens arrives. I have a good set of 49mm filters. My Pentax 85/4.5 Ultra-Achromat lens uses the same size. This new lens cost 1/2 of that one in 1970.
My first SLR, bought it in 1971, is an Argus/Cosina with a 50/1.8 Cosinon. It also uses 49mm filters. I just CLA'd that one over the Summer. The knurling of the focus ring on the Lanthar is like my Cosinon.
I have three collapsible Summicrons. Used to have 5. Two are Hot-Glass Thorium, one de-yellowed, polished, and recoated by Focalpoint. The other is a perfect-glass, late M-Mount.
Remember before the M8 came out and they were going for $70? $125 Summarit 5cm F1.5? $50 J-3? Prices of these lenses have shot up since RFF started. It's our fault? Probably could sell the recoated one for about what this new lens cost.
Just remembered- this will be Two 50mm F2 lenses in M-Mount coming in next year. I'm getting one of the first Bertele Sonnars as well. Opposite ends of the spectrum as far as optical formulas are concerned. That's what makes Leica great- choice in optics. For digital: a sensor designed to accommodate optical formulas such as Sonnars and non-retrofocus wide-angle lenses.
Found some pictures taken with the Pentax lens.
When I do pick up a full-frame mirrorless, this lens will get more use.
Every lens has character- just because it is highly corrected, does not mean the images from it will be boring.
These are on film, Fujica ST-801. This lens was made for use in a Spectrometer.
When I do pick up a full-frame mirrorless, this lens will get more use.
Every lens has character- just because it is highly corrected, does not mean the images from it will be boring.
These are on film, Fujica ST-801. This lens was made for use in a Spectrometer.
james.liam
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I can only speak for the Leica 50 APO; aside from a neutral bokeh, contrast at the plane of focus is so high and that of the OOF foreground & background diminished that the images have a 3D character to them that you can’t get from any other 50 that I have used. Plane of focus is dead-flat, distortion is near-zero. I think I have rarely shot it at f/4 or 5.6. Really stunning results.
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