whitecat
Lone Range(find)er
The M8 fuss is about over. Aren't we ready for a 7A by now for the film people here?
pizzahut88
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Not in a long time.
Not in a long time.
Leica MP is perfect.
M7 is also perfect.
Perhaps an M9 full frame . . . I heard it at the Mac Expo,
With be bundled with an iPhone this Xmas.
For $999 with an AT&T contract.
Also heard Sony is considering to be the distributor for Leica M9 in Japan,
since their PS3 numbers almost match M8 sales figures . . . ouch !
Pls don't punch me.
Not in a long time.
whitecat said:
Leica MP is perfect.
M7 is also perfect.
Perhaps an M9 full frame . . . I heard it at the Mac Expo,
With be bundled with an iPhone this Xmas.
For $999 with an AT&T contract.
Also heard Sony is considering to be the distributor for Leica M9 in Japan,
since their PS3 numbers almost match M8 sales figures . . . ouch !
Pls don't punch me.
KM-25
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I'm willing to bet that the current stable of MP's and M7's are the last film cameras Leica will make.
I could be wrong but that is my suspicion.
I could be wrong but that is my suspicion.
phatnev
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If they discontinued the M7, and dropped the MP price, I think everything would be in its right place
Ben Z
Veteran
I'm confident that if there are any "new" film M's they will be cosmetic variants of either the M7 or MP, like the LSHA MP3 as an example. I can't see them spending any real money making significant changes internally. Right now it appears they have their hands full trying to work the kinks out of the M8, and hopefully are concentrating on developing an M9 that does away with the IR filters and maybe even has a larger sensor.
JimG
dogzen
For M format it almost can't get any better then the MP.
PetarDima
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Hard times for LEICA ... yes, RF story begins with that name, but M8 is the worse
camera they ever had
- compared to Canon 5D( both cameras are digital ),
you can have 2 5D's for one M8 - in the same time photos from Canon are at least 2 times better - I'm talking about how photo from camera looks - not about two worlds - RFs & DSLRs. In the same time, they must find their place in era of digital - if they don't, I'm afraid - that will be the end of Leica story.
camera they ever had
- compared to Canon 5D( both cameras are digital ),you can have 2 5D's for one M8 - in the same time photos from Canon are at least 2 times better - I'm talking about how photo from camera looks - not about two worlds - RFs & DSLRs. In the same time, they must find their place in era of digital - if they don't, I'm afraid - that will be the end of Leica story.
collum
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PetarDima said:Hard times for LEICA ... yes, RF story begins with that name, but M8 is the worse
camera they ever had
you can have 2 5D's for one M8 - in the same time photos from Canon are at least 2 times better - I'm talking about how photo from camera looks - not about two worlds - RFs & DSLRs. In the same time, they must find their place in era of digital - if they don't, I'm afraid - that will be the end of Leica story.
price difference is right.. but the twice as better in quality is opinion (and from what i've read and seen, the consensus seems to be the opposite). I own the M8, as well as a 1dsMk2, and I've found my self preferring the M8 images. at least up to 16x20 in size)
jim
Joop van Heijgen
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collum said:
Nikon en Canon makes better digital cameras than Leica!
But the lenses of Leica are better than those of Nikon and Canon!
collum
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Joop van Heijgen said:
agreed.. but the lack of an AA filter makes a difference as well as the lenses... most noticable in shots that exhibit very fine detail. (once you get above iso 320, that advantage goes away)
Joop van Heijgen
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collum said:
That's the problem with the M8; you need an AA filter which results in a more worse resolution of lens quality!
The M8 digital camera is still not a perfect camera and is in fact not very suitable for 'analog' M lenses!
collum
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Joop van Heijgen said:
not quite sure i follow.. the AA filter blurs the image, resulting in less resolution.. not having the AA gives finer detail. and i agree.. not perfect at all.. but still a very good tool. (since i shoot IR, i find the problem with IR sensitivity to be an advantage
Joop van Heijgen
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collum said:not quite sure i follow.. the AA filter blurs the image, resulting in less resolution.. not having the AA gives finer detail. and i agree.. not perfect at all.. but still a very good tool. (since i shoot IR, i find the problem with IR sensitivity to be an advantage
With the Leica M6 it gives no problems, you don't need the filter!
Specially on slides you can see the outstanding results of the photos!
A good digital photo is like a good slide photo
x-ray
Veteran
JimG said:
Shure it can, change the RF/VF with the RF/VF of the Zeiss Ikon and do away with that silly bottom loading.
I can't imagine leica coming out with any new film M's. As mentioned they have their hands full with the problems of the M8. I'm still not convinced they will survive. Even though the M8 has sold Ok by Leica standards I would'nt think they've come close to recovering their R&D costs yet much less straightening out the existing issues with the M8. Compared to other high end digital camera sales the M8 has'nt even been a drop in the digital bucket.
x-ray
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Joop van Heijgen said:
I agree that the Nikon and Canon pro line are better than the M8 in image quality but disagree with the lens statement. Both Canon and Nikon make exceptional lenses. I used Nikon digital for a number of years and have used Canon for the past six. Canon's 24 1.4, 35 1.4, 50 1.2, 85 1.2, 135 2, 200 1.8, 300 2.8, 400 2.8, 500 4 and 600 4 are at the top of the quality list. Optical performance is superb and leica has nothing to compete with most of these lenses. I own many of these lenses and use them commercially and have used leica M's now for almost 40 years. I have both Zeiss and leica asph glass and would say Zeiss overall beats Leicas glass.
Joop van Heijgen
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x-ray said:
The heart of the M-camera is the mechanical shutter and the distantmeter.
For 'film' photograpy the M concept is nearly perfect for more than fifty years!
The quality of Leica lenses for 24-36 photography belongs to the best of the world!
Indeed only Zeiss lenses can compare with Leica lenses!
The RF/VF is a good camera but does not have the feeling and quality of the M leica! There is also a big price difference with it!
Joop van Heijgen
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x-ray said:
I agree; Nikon and Canon have made 'top lenses' (with top prices); but in time past the quality was not always consistent.
The difference of Leica of Canon lenses is specially their 'philosophy' of lens construction. You can see the differences. Specially on digital photos!
In my opinion are the leica asph. not the best lenses Leica has made!
In fact to produce asph. is a cheaper way to produce lenses!
Compare with the older lenses at the '80! The working of the 'depth of field' is more beatyful than with the asph.
The older lenses have more to do with the Zeiss glass!
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PetarDima
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Joop van Heijgen said:
I agree. Digital is at the start of story ... Leica means low light tool for me ...
compare Canons 5D images & M8 on high ISO values ... medium format sensor gives best results, but you are limited at ISO 4oo, 8oo ...
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
The only major change I could see Leica making to the film M would be the shutter mechanism. An M7 with shutter capability well beyond 1000/sec would be nice but it would require a comprehensive re-design which seems an unlikely investment by a rather blinkered company into a reducing market (film)!
They have their hands more than full trying to keep the current M8 owners happy and future M8 owners interested in a very expensive and somewhat flawed concept! For Leica to spend any money at all at the moment, or in the near future, on improving their established film expertise seems unlikely!
They have their hands more than full trying to keep the current M8 owners happy and future M8 owners interested in a very expensive and somewhat flawed concept! For Leica to spend any money at all at the moment, or in the near future, on improving their established film expertise seems unlikely!
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varjag
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The only remote possibility I see is a variation of M7 with Copal shutter from M8. If only to maintain a single type of electronic shutter.