kshapero
South Florida Man
I say keep it until the "next big thing" comes around.
X-Pro1: stay or go?
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f16sunshine
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Having this thread up sure does make it more difficult to actually sell the camera.
Any words in the negative weight ten times those in the positive for folks researching before buying 😉
Any words in the negative weight ten times those in the positive for folks researching before buying 😉
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
...and the forthcoming firmware 4.0 is rumored to make the X-T1 a "new camera," FWIW. Including greatly improved AF.
FrankS
Registered User
Is there a version 4 for the xe2?
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
I honestly don't know. Here are some 4.0 details though http://www.fujirumors.com/using-firmware-4/
kuzano
Veteran
Total Agreement!!!!
Total Agreement!!!!
"Early Adopters" step up and pay the R&D, Rollout marketing and first couple of firmwares. I shop carefully and buy the rest. Never been burnt on that philosophy. I always buy in the "sweet spot". One to two years out. I can wait.
I am in the computer industry and operate exactly the same way. Plenty of people with too much money, buy early and new, then jump for the next best new item.
I buy their leavings, and happy to do so. Never disappointed. Did that for years with film as well. Always in line for the low count castoffs that are inumerable in the market.
Total Agreement!!!!
"Early Adopters" step up and pay the R&D, Rollout marketing and first couple of firmwares. I shop carefully and buy the rest. Never been burnt on that philosophy. I always buy in the "sweet spot". One to two years out. I can wait.
I am in the computer industry and operate exactly the same way. Plenty of people with too much money, buy early and new, then jump for the next best new item.
I buy their leavings, and happy to do so. Never disappointed. Did that for years with film as well. Always in line for the low count castoffs that are inumerable in the market.
willie_901
Veteran
Lens electro-mechanical AF technology can not be improved beyond a certain point with lens firmware... let alone camera body firmware.
My comment was based on using Fujinon primes with the X-Pro 1 and then the X-T1 sequentially in the same low-level, low-contrast lighting conditions.
I'm pleased the new X-T1 AF firmware will take advantage its faster, improved CPU technology. But I expect only marginal, if any, speed improvement from Fujinon lenses with older AF electro-mechanical technologies. And, the 60 mm macro lens (that's not actually a macro) will always be the slowest since it was designed for close up use where focus accuracy is more challenging.
Dante_Stella
Rex canum cattorumque
As the post-script to this, the X-Pro1 and the 35 went to a new home in Oz. The rest of the stuff is in the classifieds at RFF. The reasons are not ones I really thought of at the beginning.
1. The X100T is actually fantastic for what I need a more casual camera to do. 23mm is not the best lens for all occasions, but it's good enough for someone who used a Hexar AF and a Fuji GA645 for close to 20 years.
2. With some extra motivation from the advent of the M246, I figured out how to consolidate a ton of equipment to get things down to just two interchangeable lens systems (Fuji 6x9 and Leica M), two batteries (M and NP-95), and three digital control layouts (M/M246, X100, X100T) . So I offed my Nikon DSLR gear (at current used prices, the D700 turned out to be the slowest-depreciating machine I have ever owned), and it was then easier to rationalize eliminating the XF stuff. If the M246 lives up to its tests, it should then be possible to roll up the smaller MF film equipment (Fuji 645s and Rolleiflex 2.8F) as well as some Polaroid items and a couple of pricey accessory finders. At the end of the day, the cost of the M246 will be largely offset by other things. And fewer things to keep track of.
3. It occurred to me that having seen the teardowns, Fujis are much more appropriately priced at their dropped MSRPs and current used prices than the $1,600+ Fuji will ask for the X-Pro2. Even assuming Fuji's gut-punch discount program, getting to a build-quality-appropriate price would still be 1.5 years away.
4. Three-dimensional digital leveling devices have turned out to be phenomenally useful.
5. Depreciation wasn't really a consideration at the end. But Fuji's pursuit of market share to the point of destroying a secondary market (that functions old owners' buying new products) reflects poor planning, desperation, or disregard for how that might affect less well-off people who end up taking a 40% haircut by simply driving something off the lot.* Although the X-Pro predated Fuji's use of shills, if I had scraped and saved for a Fuji camera, and learned only in use, after buying it, that it was not everything Fuji's obsequious "reviewers" said it was, I'd be furious if I took a huge hit on undoing the mistake.
At the end of the day, I just wasn't feeling it anymore. Most aspects of performance are impressive, but sometimes you just don't bond with a tool the way you should.
Dante
*For Kuzano and Nicktrop, I would normally agree with not buying new when you can buy used. With a car, you get a transferrable warranty - and if you buy a 6-month-old car (as I have done many times), you not only get a huge price break but give up very little in avoiding repair costs. With digital cameras, you can actually get burned on issues like the X100's SAB - where saving $200 by buying used gets you into a $500 non-warranty repair. Things like that were luckily not issues with the X-Pro, but the SAB issue was very live when the X-Pro came out. There is also a frustration aspect as well - I am less reluctant to spend a little more if, for example, it means I can avoid another year of focus-and-recompose with the X100. And at the end of the day, I would find myself quite willing to pay more to get better pictures of my kids, since they will soon grow up and not be quite so cute anymore. 🙂
1. The X100T is actually fantastic for what I need a more casual camera to do. 23mm is not the best lens for all occasions, but it's good enough for someone who used a Hexar AF and a Fuji GA645 for close to 20 years.
2. With some extra motivation from the advent of the M246, I figured out how to consolidate a ton of equipment to get things down to just two interchangeable lens systems (Fuji 6x9 and Leica M), two batteries (M and NP-95), and three digital control layouts (M/M246, X100, X100T) . So I offed my Nikon DSLR gear (at current used prices, the D700 turned out to be the slowest-depreciating machine I have ever owned), and it was then easier to rationalize eliminating the XF stuff. If the M246 lives up to its tests, it should then be possible to roll up the smaller MF film equipment (Fuji 645s and Rolleiflex 2.8F) as well as some Polaroid items and a couple of pricey accessory finders. At the end of the day, the cost of the M246 will be largely offset by other things. And fewer things to keep track of.
3. It occurred to me that having seen the teardowns, Fujis are much more appropriately priced at their dropped MSRPs and current used prices than the $1,600+ Fuji will ask for the X-Pro2. Even assuming Fuji's gut-punch discount program, getting to a build-quality-appropriate price would still be 1.5 years away.
4. Three-dimensional digital leveling devices have turned out to be phenomenally useful.
5. Depreciation wasn't really a consideration at the end. But Fuji's pursuit of market share to the point of destroying a secondary market (that functions old owners' buying new products) reflects poor planning, desperation, or disregard for how that might affect less well-off people who end up taking a 40% haircut by simply driving something off the lot.* Although the X-Pro predated Fuji's use of shills, if I had scraped and saved for a Fuji camera, and learned only in use, after buying it, that it was not everything Fuji's obsequious "reviewers" said it was, I'd be furious if I took a huge hit on undoing the mistake.
At the end of the day, I just wasn't feeling it anymore. Most aspects of performance are impressive, but sometimes you just don't bond with a tool the way you should.
Dante
*For Kuzano and Nicktrop, I would normally agree with not buying new when you can buy used. With a car, you get a transferrable warranty - and if you buy a 6-month-old car (as I have done many times), you not only get a huge price break but give up very little in avoiding repair costs. With digital cameras, you can actually get burned on issues like the X100's SAB - where saving $200 by buying used gets you into a $500 non-warranty repair. Things like that were luckily not issues with the X-Pro, but the SAB issue was very live when the X-Pro came out. There is also a frustration aspect as well - I am less reluctant to spend a little more if, for example, it means I can avoid another year of focus-and-recompose with the X100. And at the end of the day, I would find myself quite willing to pay more to get better pictures of my kids, since they will soon grow up and not be quite so cute anymore. 🙂
narsuitus
Well-known
I still cannot vote because I recently purchased a second body and a variety of high quality lenses.
Fuji Available Light Kit by Narsuitus, on Flickr
f16sunshine
Moderator
I just traded my Xpro1 for an XE1.
I loved the optical finder and overall body shape and size.
My use of digital fujis has become more for covering events and such.
Having two same bodies with that tiny yet flexible onboard flash of the XE1 quite literally "Won out" over my personal preference for the Xpro1 form factor and finder.
Now I have body with the 35mm prime and the 18-55 zoom or 55-200 zoom to work with.
It's a pretty handy set up.
I won't consider another fuji body until there is an actual change to the Sensor.
The output from the entire Xtrans line of cameras is nearly identical.
The XE1 being the least expensive model with a VF. Why buy anything else if the output is the same?
I've heard and read about fatser focus in other models.... not buying it. Manual focus with ael/afl button works very well for my use. Face PD af and face detection are just distractions.
I loved the optical finder and overall body shape and size.
My use of digital fujis has become more for covering events and such.
Having two same bodies with that tiny yet flexible onboard flash of the XE1 quite literally "Won out" over my personal preference for the Xpro1 form factor and finder.
Now I have body with the 35mm prime and the 18-55 zoom or 55-200 zoom to work with.
It's a pretty handy set up.
I won't consider another fuji body until there is an actual change to the Sensor.
The output from the entire Xtrans line of cameras is nearly identical.
The XE1 being the least expensive model with a VF. Why buy anything else if the output is the same?
I've heard and read about fatser focus in other models.... not buying it. Manual focus with ael/afl button works very well for my use. Face PD af and face detection are just distractions.
geertvn
Established
My x-pro1 died last Thursday, I bought a new one Friday morning.
cheapest camera I bought in years (€399 with leather case (which I left in the shop)).
I had it since when it became available here in Belgium, still only took 20000 to 25000 shots with it I think.
cheapest camera I bought in years (€399 with leather case (which I left in the shop)).
I had it since when it became available here in Belgium, still only took 20000 to 25000 shots with it I think.
narsuitus
Well-known
Sell the X-Pro1 and get an X-Pro2.
dee
Well-known
Abit late in responding - but I have just bought a NEW Xpro body for £168 , with a 35 f2 , this should give me a cost effective £600 amateur camera as an update of the M8 35mm Color Scopar .
I have Sony A35 / 35 f 1.8 for kiddie chasing .
I have all the frightening learning curve still to come !
dee
I have Sony A35 / 35 f 1.8 for kiddie chasing .
I have all the frightening learning curve still to come !
dee
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