Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
If they had only kept the NEX7 form factor I'd feel differently...
bugmenot
Well-known
I can safely say for those who have a collection of legacy glass, or wish to build a system on a 35mm sized sensor in a camera that isn't huge, the A7 and A7R provide a very enticing prospect. Whether you like the form factor or not isn't the point. Sony looked at the market and saw a huge demand for a mirrorless full-frame digital camera, and they saw in themselves the ability to pull it off. So they did.
A large majority of people on RFF are at least INTERESTED in the A7/A7R, but whether they wish to purchase it right away is another discussion.
In summary, you are in the minority.
A large majority of people on RFF are at least INTERESTED in the A7/A7R, but whether they wish to purchase it right away is another discussion.
In summary, you are in the minority.
Dennis.Carlson
Expect Grain
Agreed. ^^
Addy101
Well-known
Why do you start just another A7/A7R thread? There are several threads already out there were you could complain about the formfactor :bang:
seakayaker1
Well-known
If they had only kept the NEX7 form factor I'd feel differently...
I would love to own either the A7 or the A7R, full frame with a smaller form factor is very attractive. Have not placed an order for one and most likely will not for the forseable future.
But, I would not mind having one in my camera bag someday.
Spicy
Well-known
First generation guys -- even most things we regard as classics weren't perfect the first time around.
I can understand why some really couldn't care less, but I would remind those people to perhaps give a second thought to how its introduction/release might affect changes in the marketplace 2-3 years from now.
I can understand why some really couldn't care less, but I would remind those people to perhaps give a second thought to how its introduction/release might affect changes in the marketplace 2-3 years from now.
jarski
Veteran
I would love to own either the A7 or the A7R, full frame with a smaller form factor is very attractive. ...
while am personally more into SLR-like (aka. hump) design, I doubt you have to wait long anymore. least not like years after years that was the case until now!
YYV_146
Well-known
As much as I dislike the design, it works from a utilitarian standpoint. I can frame with both eyes, and vertical shooting just got a whole lot easier. None of the current-gen FF DSLR bodies are beauty queens anyways - the point of going FF is getting the job done better and cleaner, and the A7 body is definitely a step in that direction.
lynnb
Veteran
There may soon be another alternative - the new Nikon FE-lookalike FF digital with optical finder..
thegman
Veteran
No interest from here, too many other nice cameras for the money.
PaulDalex
Dilettante artist
Ken,
I am with you.
My interest on A7r is huge (BTW I have many Leica, Zeiss ZM, Contax M, Minolta, Nikon lenses)
BUT
I don't want to be caught in "Sony's forced upgrade game".
No IBIS, No first electronic curtain, lousy synchro speed, no on sensor phase detection etc
Sizewise I would like it even larger (I have a RTSIII) and I like the look
Now if in say one year a more serious A9 arrives I will wait for it.
If it takes for ever, since I am almost 70, I will get an A7r
Cheers
Paolo
I am with you.
My interest on A7r is huge (BTW I have many Leica, Zeiss ZM, Contax M, Minolta, Nikon lenses)
BUT
I don't want to be caught in "Sony's forced upgrade game".
No IBIS, No first electronic curtain, lousy synchro speed, no on sensor phase detection etc
Sizewise I would like it even larger (I have a RTSIII) and I like the look
Now if in say one year a more serious A9 arrives I will wait for it.
If it takes for ever, since I am almost 70, I will get an A7r
Cheers
Paolo
pluton
Well-known
Maybe the new Sony product will be a wonder miracle of the modern age...That'd be nice, and I hope it's really good.
What is likely is that functionality with legacy manual focus/manual aperture lenses will be slow and awkward.
Also, the current generation of TV-set viewfinders(I assume my Fuji XE1 finder is roughly current) force you to compose and focus on a bleary, ugly, time-delayed image, and are too dim to work in the brightest daylight, however well they may work in darkness. They work well in darkness because they are the only thing that works in darkness.
Sorry for being so cheerful.
What is likely is that functionality with legacy manual focus/manual aperture lenses will be slow and awkward.
Also, the current generation of TV-set viewfinders(I assume my Fuji XE1 finder is roughly current) force you to compose and focus on a bleary, ugly, time-delayed image, and are too dim to work in the brightest daylight, however well they may work in darkness. They work well in darkness because they are the only thing that works in darkness.
Sorry for being so cheerful.
ottluuk
the indecisive eternity
Thus far, what little I still do with digital is either for sharing on the net or small illustrations for print (mainly technical reports on the botanical field work I do plus the occasional shot in a local magazine) - and my old 10MP digital cameras work well enough for that. But should a need for better quality arise (book project or something along those lines), I'll pick up a Canon 6D or 5D Mk III. Why? I've got several lenses and accessories for the system, there's a Canon service center in 15 min. walking distance from where I live, I'm familiar with the UI - it's a no-brainer for actual work really. And for personal projects I switched back to film and old gear from '50s and '60s a couple of years ago. So yeah, pretty much no interest for the A7 at the moment. And who buys first generation products in the first months of their existence anyway? :angel:
Rogier
Rogier Willems
My problem with Sony camera's is that there are to manny "features" and intrusive automation taking place. I tried to like them, but every time I pick one up and try use it I feel like I just picked up a Nintendo game....
btgc
Veteran
Saying zero interest, I'd act like there on market are tens of FF compacts which isn't true. Sony's pair deserves interest at least from this point of view.
SLR-like hump - is it pretending, is it cheating? No, it's just a way to accomodate EVF which in mirrorless' serves what finder does in SLRs. Do I need EVF placed in flat-top body, preferably at left upper corner of back? No, there are film cameras featuring this kind of finder. I'm not asking digital cameras looking like film cameras same as I don't ask my wife to look like Gillian Anderson.
Will I order it anytime soon? No. Would I? Yes, need I FF compact for a job or have this money for disposal.
SLR-like hump - is it pretending, is it cheating? No, it's just a way to accomodate EVF which in mirrorless' serves what finder does in SLRs. Do I need EVF placed in flat-top body, preferably at left upper corner of back? No, there are film cameras featuring this kind of finder. I'm not asking digital cameras looking like film cameras same as I don't ask my wife to look like Gillian Anderson.
Will I order it anytime soon? No. Would I? Yes, need I FF compact for a job or have this money for disposal.
bugmenot
Well-known
There may soon be another alternative - the new Nikon FE-lookalike FF digital with optical finder..
I just don't see that as an alternative, assuming the rumour is correct. The only thing that serves is Nikon owners and Nikon F-mount lenses. And we all know that the flange distance of the Nikon F mount is too long to even accommodate other SLR lenses, let alone RF lenses that many here might look into adapting on top of the Sony A7/A7R.
jschrader
Well-known
I am with you. Never without optical finder. Why watch TV when you can have a window to look through?
thegman
Veteran
I am with you. Never without optical finder. Why watch TV when you can have a window to look through?
My brother was a train ride through the Canadian Rockies, the couple behind him on the train were complaining about the lack of TVs in the back of the seats. This, in some of the most spectacular scenery in the world.
Many would much rather watch TV, as hard as it is to believe.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I'm ok with the new Sony ... but I really dislike anchovies! 
Sid836
Well-known
Sony, a company without a real history in photography, tries to get a grip on users that like cameras like this. It is a bet almost certain lost.
(yeap, I don't like it, I'd rather that Nikon FM2 alike).
(yeap, I don't like it, I'd rather that Nikon FM2 alike).
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