shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
When you say amateur camera, do you mean:
A camera that is good enough for amateurs but not for professionals
or
A camera that cannot be used to make a picture that meet commercial standards such as:
- AF not fast enough for fast-action sports
- Not reliable
- Cannot withstand even light rain
- The pictures don't have enough resolution for 300 lpi/dpi prints
- The color balance is so bad it can't be reliably split into CMYK for offset printing for magazines/posters/etc.)
- Not enough lens selection
- Existing lens selection is so bad
- No image stabilization for low light / caving expedition
gavinlg
Veteran
I think the OM-D is gorgeous, it's what m4/3 always should have been, and I will be very interested in the IQ from the camera, and how it holds/shoots compared to my x100. I may even buy it soonish and compare. It's got to be pretty damn good to get me to sell my x100!
I also have the 5d setup, and the x100/om-d style camera definitely complements it perfectly - also acts as a backup camera.
I also have the 5d setup, and the x100/om-d style camera definitely complements it perfectly - also acts as a backup camera.
AFenvy
Established
I said no in the poll. I have no interest in building another system after the thousands of dollars I have in the Olympus OM and Nikon systems I already have and the Contax system I started. But I will be watching this closely. I may be swayed if it is good enough to convince me to switch.
Johnmcd
Well-known
If Maitani of Arc
Had a heart
Would he give it as a gift
To such as me?
I'm actually sitting here listening to OMD as I peruse the forum. My favourite band as a teenager. Still right up there...
I have an E-P1 and miss the viewfinder. I'm very interested if the EVF is good enough to accurately manual focus my OM lenses. Hell, I'm very interested anyway
John
Cheers - John
Johnmcd
Well-known
BTW, how cool could the Olympus promo vids have been with 'Electricity' playing in the background...
robbeiflex
Well-known
I'm just happy someone finally made the joke "OMD? Are they coming out with a new album?" Thank you!
But no, I just bought into Canon as a system for both APS-C DSLR and film SLR, and as an amateur I have no need for any more than one such system. :angel:
Cheers,
Rob
But no, I just bought into Canon as a system for both APS-C DSLR and film SLR, and as an amateur I have no need for any more than one such system. :angel:
Cheers,
Rob
robbeiflex
Well-known
YES! (10 char)
btgc
Veteran
Is there any need to make new cameras based on old fat? Say, I like old Ricoh cameras but I wouldn't stare at their system camera made to resemble topmodel of past. GXR is movement forward while XR-D would be step backwards.
Spicy
Well-known
It's nice to see that people are starting to move it in the right direction (first X100, then X10, X Pro 1, and now the OMD). I'm a bokeh whore and the small sensors just aren't good enough at it to tempt me.
My biggest problems/areas that would need to be fixed:
-Inability for bokeh
-Lacking at available-light photography
-You can make the camera small, but it's stupid to leave the lenses so big (like the Sony NEX series looking comical). They're too big because they have AF. They need to have AF because there's no manual focusing. There's no manual focusing because they don't have an optical finder/other method for focusing.
My biggest problems/areas that would need to be fixed:
-Inability for bokeh
-Lacking at available-light photography
-You can make the camera small, but it's stupid to leave the lenses so big (like the Sony NEX series looking comical). They're too big because they have AF. They need to have AF because there's no manual focusing. There's no manual focusing because they don't have an optical finder/other method for focusing.
Well, I agree with your last point.
They'd have to have a weather sealed prime in order to gain me as a customer.
Bugleone
Established
I did not vote, but would not buy a micro4/3 'system' when i can get a APS-C system for the same money,...it just does NOT make any sense.
I'm sure the OMD will work well enough and IS a product of reaonable quality.
However, I do feel VERY dissapointed by these 'retro' cameras,...why make something that looks like a DSLR but is NOT a DSLR? Why not try to make something innovative, not merely a nostalgia trip. You can't go back!
This is why I let out a sigh when the fujix100 appeared amid all the engineered fuss (at three times the price it should have been!)........it gave camera makers a backwards direction and now we are going to see a lot more of this as the stylists jockey for attention,..witness the pentax abortion.
I'm sure the OMD will work well enough and IS a product of reaonable quality.
However, I do feel VERY dissapointed by these 'retro' cameras,...why make something that looks like a DSLR but is NOT a DSLR? Why not try to make something innovative, not merely a nostalgia trip. You can't go back!
This is why I let out a sigh when the fujix100 appeared amid all the engineered fuss (at three times the price it should have been!)........it gave camera makers a backwards direction and now we are going to see a lot more of this as the stylists jockey for attention,..witness the pentax abortion.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
How do you know that?
gavinlg
Veteran
Well you've got a tiny weather sealed camera with a good quality electronic viewfinder with about the same size view as a full frame 5d or d700, 5 axis image stabilization on the sensor, highly tele-centric and basically perfect lens performance due to the perfectly matched sensor, and the fastest autofocus in the world. I think that's a pretty decent list of innovation for a 1k camera!
And how is the x100 3 times the price it should have been? What other aps-c camera can you buy with a complex electro-optical viewfinder with projected electronic frame lines and information (only other camera that has this is the leica m9-titanium - at 30 grand!), and a super super high quality 23mm f2 prime lens that is about 10mm in total size?
What exactly do you want out a camera that these don't provide? The reason the old designs are coming back is because to date nothing has been invented that works better than them - and there has been about 20 years of attempting to better them! There's no compact digital camera on earth that handles as well as my x100 - simply because it's simple, and doesn't pretend to be anything else but a camera.
edit: the pentax is the complete opposite direction than the x100 and e-m5 have taken - it's not a functional design at all. It doesn't even have separate dial controls for shutter and aperture, or a viewfinder. And it's literally over twice the thickness of an x100, or the e-m5.
Arvay
Obscurant
No. Can't see any reason. Design will never let me buy a cam
Bugleone
Established
gavinlg,....I can understand you being an enthusiast if you like this camera, but users are all different,.....to me this has NO innovation only nostalgia, and that for the wrong reasons,.......the stabilisation is not too important to me,..had sensor stab. on my pentax DSLR,....it was sometimes handy but not as major as it was rated. also, I tend not to be an auto-focus enthusiast so this having "the fastest auto-focus in theh world" tends to be meaningless to ME, since I don't shoot a lot of football or motor sport. However, being able to use Leica R and Canon FD glass IS important and micro4/3 does this poorly compared to others,...And, the OMD is NOT "tiny",..it's a DSLR shape and size and i dumped the pentax (not sorry to see it go) inb favour of Sony NEX which has proven to vastly superior to ME.
The fujix100 is, FOR ME, a 1980's car camera/point and shoot of medium quality,...I was VERY disapointed to hold and examine it after all teh engineered hype,...and, yes, it IS massively overpriced for what it is, even with the electro/optical v/f that does nothign to help its lameness, FOR ME. The whole x100 'thing' is about what people with money hang around their necks,....my dentist has one that I helped him to pay for,..he has never to my knoiwledge taken a photo......
What I WOULD hurry out to buy is a flat camera body with discrete design that has a square sensor 23x23mm with pressure switch under thumb position for 'vert/horiz' format change, but with the full square captured on RAW,....remote v/f's and adaptor facility for ANY slr/rangefinder lenses,..if electronic sensor reposition for 'movements' cou7ld be encompassed then even better!....
........Not expecting it any time soon!
The fujix100 is, FOR ME, a 1980's car camera/point and shoot of medium quality,...I was VERY disapointed to hold and examine it after all teh engineered hype,...and, yes, it IS massively overpriced for what it is, even with the electro/optical v/f that does nothign to help its lameness, FOR ME. The whole x100 'thing' is about what people with money hang around their necks,....my dentist has one that I helped him to pay for,..he has never to my knoiwledge taken a photo......
What I WOULD hurry out to buy is a flat camera body with discrete design that has a square sensor 23x23mm with pressure switch under thumb position for 'vert/horiz' format change, but with the full square captured on RAW,....remote v/f's and adaptor facility for ANY slr/rangefinder lenses,..if electronic sensor reposition for 'movements' cou7ld be encompassed then even better!....
........Not expecting it any time soon!
Ditto
We have no idea how the high ISo performance is, if the af is fast, if the dynamic range is improved. If those things are true then m43 sensors are taking a step forward as all others are and it is a great improvement.
You can't say it is or isn't until it gets out into the hands of consumers.
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
The spec sheet and design makes it close to perfect for my style of photography. I would use the cr*p out of it.
Additionally, it is extremely pretty. I'm not too proud to say that this is a factor too. Even if it is only a pastiche of an OM camera.
But would I buy it? No. The reasons are twofold:
1. Investment in two 35mm systems (Nikon and Leica), with a full set-up of expensive prime lenses, lenses that can do everything I need.
2. Seeing (also because of reason (1) everything that is not 'full frame' as a compromise. My Nikon D70, D200 and now Sony NEX-3 (which I use as a manual focus Nikon or Leica camera) cannot use my lenses as they were designed.
Sure, I can buy excellent m4/3rds lenses and APS-C lenses to bridge the gap, but I also still shoot a lot of analogue.
So, a Nikon D700 or D800 is for me the only way. They are big, heavy and expensive, but let's face it, I can afford them, while still being young and strong enough to drag them anywhere.
Additionally, it is extremely pretty. I'm not too proud to say that this is a factor too. Even if it is only a pastiche of an OM camera.
But would I buy it? No. The reasons are twofold:
1. Investment in two 35mm systems (Nikon and Leica), with a full set-up of expensive prime lenses, lenses that can do everything I need.
2. Seeing (also because of reason (1) everything that is not 'full frame' as a compromise. My Nikon D70, D200 and now Sony NEX-3 (which I use as a manual focus Nikon or Leica camera) cannot use my lenses as they were designed.
Sure, I can buy excellent m4/3rds lenses and APS-C lenses to bridge the gap, but I also still shoot a lot of analogue.
So, a Nikon D700 or D800 is for me the only way. They are big, heavy and expensive, but let's face it, I can afford them, while still being young and strong enough to drag them anywhere.
santino
FSU gear head
the ep1 is much prettier - no need here for a fake prism!
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
We are at page 3, almost 100 people voted.
One thing remains, in my observation, Olympus products always polarize people's opinion, there is no middle ground, either you hate it with a passion or love it and love it more. On that fact alone, OM-D seems to prove itself to be the real successor to the OM lineage
So far the poll tells me a couple of things:
- People being people are still thinking "bigger sensor must be better" not "how much is big enough for *my* need, let's see what else the camera offer as a total package." I happen to think the latter, but of course everyone is entitled to his/her own view.
- A $1300 weather-sealed camera with two grips available, sporting 5-axis IBIS (read: works with any lenses for still *and* video) with growing lens family bearing the name Zuiko. I'd be a real tool if I didn't at least check it out were I so called a "pro" who generate income to compensate any of my work-equipment purchases.
- If a similar camera appeared bearing the Canon or Nikon logo, it'll fly out the shelf on thin air. Guaranteed.
- Thank you for those who pre-ordered! I would if I have enough disposable fund from my day job. But you guys are giving a potential breakthrough a chance, and that earned my respect whether you are a professional or amateur.
- The last option. You're welcome OMD fans. I mainly am a fan of '80s songs and I happen to know a few good ones from OMD. But just for coming up with such name, those folks should be labeled genius
One thing remains, in my observation, Olympus products always polarize people's opinion, there is no middle ground, either you hate it with a passion or love it and love it more. On that fact alone, OM-D seems to prove itself to be the real successor to the OM lineage
So far the poll tells me a couple of things:
- People being people are still thinking "bigger sensor must be better" not "how much is big enough for *my* need, let's see what else the camera offer as a total package." I happen to think the latter, but of course everyone is entitled to his/her own view.
- A $1300 weather-sealed camera with two grips available, sporting 5-axis IBIS (read: works with any lenses for still *and* video) with growing lens family bearing the name Zuiko. I'd be a real tool if I didn't at least check it out were I so called a "pro" who generate income to compensate any of my work-equipment purchases.
- If a similar camera appeared bearing the Canon or Nikon logo, it'll fly out the shelf on thin air. Guaranteed.
- Thank you for those who pre-ordered! I would if I have enough disposable fund from my day job. But you guys are giving a potential breakthrough a chance, and that earned my respect whether you are a professional or amateur.
- The last option. You're welcome OMD fans. I mainly am a fan of '80s songs and I happen to know a few good ones from OMD. But just for coming up with such name, those folks should be labeled genius