Brutally honest critique thread

Overlaping people? Bin right away, unless truly exceptional. This is composition 101 level.

There are a lot of self-thaught photographers and the basics are never learned.. These photographers can be hurt by critique but it is what it is. This is a basic, formal training in photography. Everything starts there: the placement of the subject.


Point taken, but if the photographer had waited for the people in the background to move on he most likely would have missed the look between the couple. That's a trade-off in street photography, and why great street photos are very rare, IMO.
 
Good luck with that no overlapping people in a densely populated city. That is certainly a rule I'd freely disregard if the image works. You'd be a fool to toss it out when you have such a wonderful moment as you do here.

I think they actually add to this image in a sense as the gaze penetrates the distraction and very ordinary passerbys are a nice contrast to the extraordinary interaction in the foreground. Without a little chaos in the photo, it might appear too staged (and of course we have no way of knowing it's not).

The depth of field works nicely to isolate the primary couple without being distractingly bokeh-y.

I could do without the end of the car on the left and the small slice of person on the right edge of the frame (and it still kills me that people don't make a rudimentary attempt at spotting images before posting when it takes all of 10 seconds in photoshop) but this one works well and is one of the stronger images in this thread.
 
I went through a bunch of my work, looking for something to post here. I always come back to this one. Not sure if it's just my own preference or if it strikes anything with anyone else. I suppose this post will help answer that.

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Overlaping people? Bin right away, unless truly exceptional. This is composition 101 level. There are a lot of self-thaught photographers and the basics are never learned.. These photographers can be hurt by critique but it is what it is. This is a basic, formal training in photography. Everything starts there: the placement of the subject.

Noop. Overlapping people is not a problem. Had the man in the background neglected to wear his backback, the image would have been even stronger than had he neglected to show up at all. The white shirt gives more definitition to the girl than the grey background would have. Composition has nothing to do with people. It has all to do with the balance and tension between light and dark portions in the image.
Rules in photography are only rules of thumb. Meaning that if you follow them you are less likely to run in to trouble. Breaking the rules is seeing beyond this simplification and recognize the fundamentals the rule was derived from.
Also, composition is only one thing. Gesture is another. And this photo has a lot of the latter. I like it a lot 🙂
 
This is a fantastic thread. Here's a picture I took about a year ago walking in Manhattan. For some reason (that I hope someone can help me understand) it is by far the picture with the most likes in my Flickr Photostream. I am open to critiques and comments 🙂


A Manhattan couple by Mahler_seele, on Flickr

Too bad. That white shirt ruins this shot. Solemn facial expression ties in well with the background (empty, gates closed). There's a loneliness to this image.

But that white shirt...
 
Of course cutting off feet is one of Nature's Mistakes:


Nature's Mistakes by thompsonkirk, on Flickr

I wish there were an easy way, without making a separate post, that we could register agreement with previous comments. In a couple of instances folks have said just what I was thinking, better than I might have said it; and I wish the OP could tell when a comment seems 'right on' to a number of us.
 
I'll agree that these are problems with this picture. I really don't like the signs in the backround, but capturing the look on the woman's face and the stiffness of the man's posture are enough to make this a photograph worth taking.
 
Actually (and I didn't want to say this so as to not frame the picture with a narrative), the couple was in the middle of an argument. I caught this in the moment I could, thinking that I didn't want to be in-between their fight. Better than no picture, and in my mind this actually plays out well narratively-speaking. My own thought is that if I just had shot it without other people around it wouldn't have made the point that this was in a city and there is this story in the middle of a sea of people.

That being said, at that point I didn't really think about that shirt... but to tell you the truth I didn't really see it until it was pointed out to me 🙂
 
I saw it as an argument, but thought I might be reading too much into it. I saw (and evaluated) it less as if it were supposed to be a stand-alone Great Street Photograph and more as if it were a frame from a movie, where it quickly captured a vivid slice of life.

IMO it's a mistake to decree that some aspects of images are necessarily 'mistakes' – overlapping figures (check out R. Frank), cut-off heads/feet, or whatever else. For me, the image has to work in the context it creates, not in relation to 'rules.'

Just my two cents,

Kirk

PS, Afterthoughts: To be specific, for heads/feet I was thinking of Frank's headless Bunker Hill guy, and his footless Jehovah's witness. But you get the feet back again, by themselves, in his Navy Yard office shot.

I wonder if concern for critiquing by-the-rules relates to how folks went about learning photography. In a critique 'collective' to which I belong, one person who went to a commercial art/photography school like Brooks seems quite sure there are Rules, for example 'No whited-out skies' (despite Carleton Watkins and Atget); whereas the folks who went to something more like an art school tend to think there aren't any rules, or if there are, they exist mostly to be broken.

If one started out learning or admiring the kinds of photography that earn money – products, portraits, weddings, architecture – there are not so much Rules as settled commercial expectations. In fashion, however, where the unexpected is rewarded, there've been famous rule-breakers like William Klein.

Thx to the folks who critiqued the pictures I put up. The most important message I got was that they didn't arouse a lot of interest, which is a very good critique in itself!
 
I gave my word to the owner of this forum that I'll play nicely, so I will. I'm extremely amazed by your critique. Look: there is a guy INTERFERING betwen her and her lover (let's Call him that). There's a Bald Guy stuck between them. This is a cinematographic error 101. I won't go on! (But I'd like to 🙂 )

Always happy to amaze. I don't want to soil this fine thread with continued bickering. We obviously have a different way of seeing images. I don't see a bald man in a white shirt. I see a white portion of the image, acting as a backrop to the girl adding contrast and definition. The dark backpack disturbs me though. Btw, all 101 class errors are caused by breaking 101 class rules 🙂
 
Actually (and I didn't want to say this so as to not frame the picture with a narrative), the couple was in the middle of an argument. I caught this in the moment I could, thinking that I didn't want to be in-between their fight. Better than no picture, and in my mind this actually plays out well narratively-speaking. My own thought is that if I just had shot it without other people around it wouldn't have made the point that this was in a city and there is this story in the middle of a sea of people.

That being said, at that point I didn't really think about that shirt... but to tell you the truth I didn't really see it until it was pointed out to me 🙂

Seems like there's a discussion about the overlap of the guy in the white shirt & the girl.

I agree that it's bothersome & it happens to be accentuated by his bright clothing.

Who knows what a couple extra seconds would give you had you waited for the white-shirt guy to cross the street.... perhaps it might have given you an opportunity to hide him behind one of your main subjects... or maybe by changing your angle you can put him out of the frame.
But then you also might have lost the moment between the two had you waited those extra seconds.

such is life.
 
[color photo of child's face in middle of blue tube/ring]

It's a nice capture of the child, although I want more snap and life in the face's rendering- lighter, etc. The composition is well done; the red wedge in the background adds a nice bit of life and tension. All in all, it strikes me as one of those images a parent will always love while it doesn't resonate much with me beyond 'nice capture.' I guess I want more than a nice portrait. Personality, energy, engagement with the world would hold my attention better.
Thankyou. I appreciate that. A good guide for where I need to improve.
 
I went through a bunch of my work, looking for something to post here. I always come back to this one. Not sure if it's just my own preference or if it strikes anything with anyone else. I suppose this post will help answer that.

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A little Giacometti by Cartier-Bresson-
https://antonioperezrio.wordpress.c...-mucha-leche-para-conseguir-un-poco-de-crema/

A little Beckett by character and tone.

Unfortunately for you, the coat collar looks like a bird beak so I am reminded of the movie Birdman, and that isn't fair to you.

There's something unresolved for me. The dark man seems almost accidental. I think you could change his weight with more processing? More texture (lighter?) tone on him, darker background. He's a cypher right now, an obstruction.
 
Their look is just not enough to make it a good quality shot.

Yes Frank, all the good streeters do that.

Arranging people on the street to make the shot.😱
Well you`ve just lost me I`m afraid ...
Thats not street photography ...thats Camera Club photography except at the club I attend they`d photoshop them in or delete them.
Makes a good photograph but has zero credibility as a street photograph for me.
 
What can I say! If you don't even see the bald man It's probably because he's not even there 🙂

... and had the bald man man not been there and the photographer could have climbed two steps up his handy aluminum steep-lander and had the girl's face silhouetted by the shutter-door and got both their hands in frame! ... basic stuff eh? don't know why I didn't think of it earlier,
 
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