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peter_n said:
I love the 0.85 mag and tried it with my 90 TE and 135 J-11. I decided to get another 135 (the J-11 is optically wonderful but mechanically not completely perfect) so I bought a 135 Tele-Elmar at a terrific price yesterday and I'm real excited about it. That is essentially an APO lens and I can't wait to try it on this M7. GAS has really hit, huh? This forum is bad!



Whoa, very weird. I just did the same thing. I am getting ready for my trip to iceland and Europe, and I knew that I would probably want a longer lens to photograph some of the more distant features of the landscape there (like the icebergs at Jorkulsarlon). My local Samy's camera had a well used Tele-Elmar with perfect glass...it is banged up cosmetically, but I think it is otherwise great. I just ran a test roll through it, but it was C-41, so I will have to wait until Tuesday to see the results. Mine was the built in hood e-46 version...

Dare I ask how much you got it for? I picked up mine for 375, but I figure I might have been able to find cheaper if I shopped around. I just wanted it right away because I am leaving pretty soon.
 
Yes Doug, but the fun has to stop for a while! ;)

Stuart, mine cost $241 from eBay yesterday afternoon. It was very, very quiet on the auction site and maybe holiday weekends are good for buyers. Mine is the e-39 (or first) version made in 1973, serial nr. 2654xxx, described as in "excellent" condition from a seller with a very high +ive rating.

The kicker is that the lens came with an old-fashioned leather case, the Leica back-to-back rear lens cap, and a very nice looking Leica hood. I figured $10 for the case, $70 for the back-to-back cap, and $60 for the hood, so I got the lens for around $100 or so. Not bad! ;)

 
Had a little RF gathering in the garden this afternoon... not a tea party. :)

Bronica RF645 with the wide-angle 45mm f/4 mounted, and the Leica M2 button-rewind with side-grip and 35mm f/2 Summicron Type 1 with 12585H hood, modern Leica strap. Raisin-walnut cookie... Shot with Canon PowerShot G3.
 
Fantastic, we really must have had some synchronicity....my seller gave me the back to back cap too....only because he couldn't find a regular one. Are they really worth that much? What are they for? Anyway, that is a smoking deal...far better than mine. Mine is the latest version...I think the serial number puts it around 1993, but it is fairly scuffed up. It's aperture ring is nice, but it is not lined up correctly (I am going to have my local repairman fix this); it is about a half stop off...f/4.5 on the blades is f/4 on the ring etc. It's also missing it's red dot! The glass is perfect however, not even any dust in the lens, and the focus is smooth. I can't wait to see the results.
 
I thought it was about time I joined you guys for coffee :)

On the left I present my recently recovered QL17 GIII in a fetching very 70s Red Leatherette and on the right the more conservative QL17 in a Dark Blue Calf Leather :D
 
TP, that's a nice couple:)

Doug, i didn't know that the Bronica is this small. Laterally and in depth it seems to be just as big as the Leica! Pretty cool looking too, with that wide.
 
Tony, love that red cam!! Not a stealth cam though, eh? ;) Doug, thanks for posting those pics, I had no idea the Bronica was that size! Wow!!

How do you like the "vertical" VF?

 
StuartR said:
Fantastic, we really must have had some synchronicity....my seller gave me the back to back cap too....only because he couldn't find a regular one. Are they really worth that much? What are they for? Anyway, that is a smoking deal...far better than mine. Mine is the latest version...I think the serial number puts it around 1993, but it is fairly scuffed up. It's aperture ring is nice, but it is not lined up correctly (I am going to have my local repairman fix this); it is about a half stop off...f/4.5 on the blades is f/4 on the ring etc. It's also missing it's red dot! The glass is perfect however, not even any dust in the lens, and the focus is smooth. I can't wait to see the results.
hey Stuart, my estimate of the worth of the back-to-back rear cap was based on this FS notice on photo.net (see item #10 in the list). The back-to-back rear cap is used to hold two lenses back-to-back in your bag, as both sides of the cap are female bayonets. When you take a lens off you need a body cap to close the empty side. These caps are very useful for carrying two short lenses, like a 21 and a 35mm. It makes absolutely no sense to have one on a 135mm though!

My estimate of the hood was based on recent eBay sales for that piece, they range from $50-80. My bid topped out at $286, the price of a current "bargain" offering of the same lens at KEH. This will only be a "smoking deal" if the lens tirns out to be as good as the seller claims. However the seller has such volume and an extremely high positive rating for that much turnover that I'm hopeful that the lens will be OK. I'm really looking forward to using it as I've got a long term project that is increasingly looking like 50%+ of it I'm going to be using a 90mm and a 135mm.

 
Pherdinand said:
Doug, i didn't know that the Bronica is this small. Laterally and in depth it seems to be just as big as the Leica! Pretty cool looking too, with that wide.
peter_n said:
Doug, thanks for posting those pics, I had no idea the Bronica was that size! Wow!!

How do you like the "vertical" VF?
Thanks, guys! The Bronica really is very compact, and I wanted to show that in the photo. It is about 1 inch taller than the Leica. The Fuji GS645S is also about this same size, maybe an additional 1/4 inch taller, but lighter weight. This should help explain why it's no great chore to carry around something like this on a daily basis. And quite an efficient package, offering 2324 square mm of neg area vs 864 for the Leica. :)

6x4.5cm is a "half-frame" format derived from 6x9cm, resulting in its long dimension going cross-wise to the film length. Like half-frame 35mm, horizontal film travel means a vertical viewfinder orientation. This is pretty convenient for vertical shots, less so for horizontal. Just as a horizontal viewfinder is less convenient for vertical shots.

For me it doesn't matter much, since I do about equal numbers of vertical and horizontal. In either case, the camera should be comfortable to use when turned on end, and I find a right-side grip helps.
 
I must admit that I am a bit skeptical about the possibilities of the 6x4.5 format. Are the trade-offs really worth the benefit? You gain more negative area versus 35mm, but you lose speed and gain size (albeit only a bit in this case). Also, Leica lenses, particularly the summicrons and ASPH lenses are likely to be much better performers than the 645 lenses commonly available --this would make up for some of the difference in negative size. Faster lenses means you can use slower film, and the higher quality of the lens would drag out the last bit from 35mm. I guess I just feel like you are inheriting all the disadvantages of medium format while minimizing the advantage you gain. It seems like a photographer would be better served by choosing something like a Plaubel Makina or a Mamiya 6 if they are searching for a fairly compact medium format camera. With a 6x7 or 6x9 negative, the difference in real estate between the negative and a 35mm negative becomes overwhelming, and the disadvantages of the format are more than compensated by the sheer size of the neg.
 
Many thanks for the comments on my Red GIII guys :D

Peter, for some reason no-one seems to pay as much attention to me shooting it as when I use my dark blue one :confused: Maybe sometimes stealth is being in the face :D LOL

I can't decide if I should keep it as leatherette or find some nice red leather though :)
 
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Hi Stuart -- Leica lenses are incredibly good; I just got a new 28mm Summicron, so I'm committed to 35 as well. And Zeiss lenses are great, so are others. Mamiya 7 lenses are legendary for quality, and I think the Bronica's optics are either in the same class or close. The f/4 aperture makes it easier to gain that quality, and keep size and weight down.

Bronica is owned by Tamron, but that's recent enough that Tamron might not have had any input on the 645RF's lenses. Or they might well have, and the cooperation led to acquisition, I don't know.

Yes, it's an interesting question as to whether one is ahead by using, say, Fuji NPZ800 in 645 with an f/4 lens, or with Fuji NPS160 in 35mm with f/2... Sheer negative size means less enlargement to get the same size print or online image, and that has inherent advantages... one of which is that dust and lint aren't so magnified. I'm open to differing views on this question, and may do some close comparing, since much of my shooting is indoor office/shop environmental portraits. Here the issue is put to stress with wide apertures. Outdoors in brighter light, the larger camera can use slow film too, and then the equation shifts strongly in its favor.

I've used Pentax 6x7 for nearly 30 years, so I've long enjoyed its large-neg benefits. I don't see a lot of difference in the output due to the extra size above 6x4.5, but I haven't really put it to the test with huge enlargements either! There's certainly no doubt the 645RF is much smaller to carry than the big Pentax, and indeed not much larger than a 35RF. As for 6x6, I guess it depends on how you use it... DO you use the whole neg to make square pics, or do you commonly crop it down to around 6x4.5 anyway? The square has one advantage in not calling for rotating the camera for vertical/horizontal orientation, but I'm inclined to compose to the shape of the viewfinder so mostly end up with square pics. Which is fine... I sometimes crop a rectangular picture to square too!

Pick your poison, as they say! :)
 
This is one beautiful rangefinder that requires the user to drink a lotta coffee!!!
Heavy as a brick, sharp as nails!

Koni-Omega Rapid
 
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the one on the left is for a boutonniere :D

I have to get the digital camera working again ... I have Rapid Omega 200 now that wants to go out for coffee with that KO.
 
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