jarski
Veteran
weird policing of language that I havent seen here before. "end the term" 😕
Can We End the Term "Japanese Summilux?"
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f.hayek
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Malware taking hold in some.
Indeed.
It's a term of endearment, anyone actually wanting to denigrate the lens because of its heritage or its f-stop, would have used terms that are actually derogatory.
Armoured
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Gregm61
Well-known
Next on the list, if you cannot fully spell out “SUMMICRON”, it is not to be allowed to be used in a post.
Cancel Culture S-T-I-N-K-S….
Cancel Culture S-T-I-N-K-S….
Darthfeeble
But you can call me Steve
Properly then, the summilux should be the "German Canon".
Retro-Grouch
Veteran
How about this: if someone states that, as a member of a particular group, they find a term derogatory or offensive, we just refrain from using that term. They are the best arbiters of what is offensive, since they have been the ones experiencing the pain of those terms. Is it so hard to show that degree of basic respect and empathy? This not "PC" or "Wokeness". It's just basic decency.
f.hayek
Well-known
How about this: no.
Blatant bias and pejorative name-calling has no place in civil discourse. Just plain disrespectful.
If someone is conceivably "triggered" by 'Japanese Summilux', let them take it to a therapist or a 'safe space' website where they can vent their fragilities, blatant bigotries and secret bias' to others of their ilk.
No constitutional right not to be offended by the innocuous.
jarski
Veteran
I actually bought this lens couple months ago, and been enjoying it since.
think I also linked someones well made blog post titled "Japanese Summilux" on this forum back then. would hate to think other member doing that in future and thought police emerging shunning him/her silent.
think I also linked someones well made blog post titled "Japanese Summilux" on this forum back then. would hate to think other member doing that in future and thought police emerging shunning him/her silent.
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mpaniagua
Newby photographer
Sad to be on agreement with you hayek. This forum is for rangefinder/photography subjects. Seems this discussion is on the same par with the old "I hate Leica" discussion.
Like said before, I don't see the term as derogative. Also, as much a I like Canon equipment (got several film slr with a great host of FD lens and my main digital camera is a Canon). the japanese DID copy Leica system then. I mean, they based their cameras on the Leica system (both bayonet and focusing system). They did improved vastly on their cameras rangefinders and other aspects of the camera though. I would take a Canon P over a Leica LTM any day of the week 🙂
Marcelo
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
The 5cm f1.4 Nikkor lens beat them all in the f1.4 50 mil race as far as that speed demon f stop goes.
* Hmmm so do I now have to quit calling my two Canon 50mm f 1.5 lenses my JAPANESE Sonnars?
How about my gaggle of Jupiter 3 lenses?
Russian Sonnar, maybe ? or USSR Sonnar? or if any part was made in Belarus or the Ukraine or in Uzbekistan then I would also include that name with the Sonnar nomenclature so not to offend any former USSR member nation.
mpaniagua
Newby photographer
Guth
Appreciative User
Perhaps this might have been part of the reason the phrase Japanese Summilux was associated with this lens? I don’t know that I had ever heard of it before this thread. I have plenty of wonderful Japanese products and have no reason to believe it isn’t a a nice lens. Clearly it’s not a Summilux, I won’t refer to it as such.
jarski
Veteran
mpaniagua
Newby photographer
I suppose the naming came because it was an easier way to identify a 1.4 lens? Either is Summilux is a bad/good lens, it is identifible as a 1.4 lens.
By the way, I don't really name my Olympus 35mm f/1.4 "Olympus Summilux" or the like. I think the only such naming I have heard of is the "Japanese Summilux".
Thankfully it wasn't a discussion about PC or wokeness or being offensive.
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
Yes, if humans were super logical but I think this whole "Japanese Summilux" thing is based on price and camera snobbism...if a 50mm Summilux was a cheap to buy lens then it would not be used as a comparison to anything...it does not even have to be a good lens...just high price is enough to make it top of the pops and a comparison standard.
If I make knives in my garage and I advertise my knives as sharp and well made as a Japanese Katana or Samurai sword then I am not denigrating the Japanese...in fact if my knives are not as sharp as the best of these Japanese products then I would be denigrating myself with false claims.
mpaniagua
Newby photographer
Probably so Xayraa. But don't you agree it would be "innocuous snobbish"? Hardly an argument for anything I would say.
On digital land, I consider my self a Canon boy, and in no sense I feel the term is denigrating or taking any of Canon great achivements. I would take a Canon f/1.8 over my Summicron on many shoots, since I like the optics and ergonomics better.
By the way the nikkor comments was a failed joke. Probably should stick to more seriousl comments 😛
On digital land, I consider my self a Canon boy, and in no sense I feel the term is denigrating or taking any of Canon great achivements. I would take a Canon f/1.8 over my Summicron on many shoots, since I like the optics and ergonomics better.
By the way the nikkor comments was a failed joke. Probably should stick to more seriousl comments 😛
Phil_F_NM
Camera hacker
How far back in the dark ages do we need to go to placate those who think having some common decency for others is a bad thing? Culture changes, language changes with it.
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