Canon LTM Canon Rangefinder Lens Price Guide

[NoTx]

If a buyer contradicts the purchase with their Credit Card Company, then you lose everything. Item and cash. If done after shipment.

 

[rover]

I will have to look into that, though I don't have anything left to sell. Wouldn't the risk be the same for a domestic sale?

 

[Natalia]

I had a couple of bad experiences with buyers from Ukraine, Canada and one tried from Nigeria. I was young Ebay seller, inexperienced, and paid by Western Union a Canadian from Montreal. Never saw the camera. Western Union didn't even warn me!

Ukrainian thief (said he was an American missionary with a PayPal confirmed address in the States) paid via PayPal with a stolen CC. Asked me to ship to Ukraine. I ship the camera, then later PayPal puts my account into "negative"!

3rd time I got smarter. This guy from Nigeria wanted to buy my laptop. Tried sending fake Money Order. He even called me 3 times from Nigeria! ...

So, I understand the frustration of some sellers.

 

[back alley]

go get em rover!

as the buyer the risk is more mine than the seller. period.
if the seller has qualms then accept only money orders.
i only pay by money order. clean, simple, easy.

joe

 

[Natalia]

joe, I asked my post office in Ne Orleans about Canadians paying by Money Order. She said I could send intnl. MO, but didn't know anything about how a Canadian would go about paying me with MO.....Can you explain what she meant?

 

[back alley]

not really sure miss nat.

i can either go to a bank or a post office and get money orders in various currencies.
i buy lots off ebay from the states with them. the postal money orders are a different colour than regular money orders and are for international (non canadian) use.
i have never had a problem with them or a bank money order.

i don't know what extra paper work your 'mericans have to go thru but if i send a parcel to america i fill out one small form and that's it. the post office even gave me a handful of them so i can do it at home and hold up the line.

to me it's just an excuse on the part of sellers so as not to be the least bit inconvenienced
and at worst it's a sort of anti 'foreign' bias.

i'm a dual citizen and i take it personally when i'm refused serviced.

joe

 

[Natalia]

not really sure miss nat.

i can either go to a bank or a post office and get money orders in various currencies.
i buy lots off ebay from the states with them. the postal money orders are a different colour than regular money orders and are for international (non canadian) use.
i have never had a problem with them or a bank money order.
joe

I'll have to do a trial "international" sale with you, Joe ...just don't have anything to offer to you 'cept my OM-4 stuff......

 

[back alley]

i had an om 1 and 2 many years ago. they were great, so small and quiet compared to what else was out there at the time.
i like the lenses too. i had a 35 and i think an 85 or 100, kinda foggy lately. (me not the lenses)

joe

 

[NoTx]

I will have to look into that, though I don't have anything left to sell. Wouldn't the risk be the same for a domestic sale?

Paypal has a seller garuntee that protects against fraud by a buyer. If the address is confirmed only. Easy for in US, and many places (but not al) in Canada. Elsewhere? Not really.

 

[NoTx]

go get em rover!

as the buyer the risk is more mine than the seller. period.
if the seller has qualms then accept only money orders.
i only pay by money order. clean, simple, easy.

joe

I dunno about where you live, but there has recently been a huge scam involving fraudulent money orders. So here is how I look at it: compare their ebay and paypal accounts. THen make a gamble. One way or the other. But money orders are no real security... unless they are US Postal. Which I can go straight to a Post Office and cash. But few people want to go to a US base over seas to get em

 

[back alley]

robert,
where i live is posted right under the photo identifying me.
where i live, we have the internet, televison and newspapers.
i can watch cnn, the bbc and cbc on the tube!
we get most of the news you get and then some.

if you want real security i guess the buyer and seller need to meet face to face and hope that the seller isn't pushing a product that will self destruct in the seconds following the deal and that the buyer isn't using counterfeit cash.

if you want 100% security stay home and don't buy or sell anything.

ok, now before this turns into a pissing contest...
we are each allowed to feel and believe what we will.
i feel strongly about this issue and choose to state my opinion and will never buy from someone who refuses to do business with my adopted country, as well, i will not do business with anyone who refuses to sell to my native land either.

joe

 

[NoTx]

robert,
where i live is posted right under the photo identifying me.
where i live, we have the internet, televison and newspapers.
i can watch cnn, the bbc and cbc on the tube!
we get most of the news you get and then some.

if you want real security i guess the buyer and seller need to meet face to face and hope that the seller isn't pushing a product that will self destruct in the seconds following the deal and that the buyer isn't using counterfeit cash.

if you want 100% security stay home and don't buy or sell anything.

ok, now before this turns into a pissing contest...
we are each allowed to feel and believe what we will.
i feel strongly about this issue and choose to state my opinion and will never buy from someone who refuses to do business with my adopted country, as well, i will not do business with anyone who refuses to sell to my native land either.

joe

Joe,

As a business owner, I happen to deal with people in foriegn countries (btw, I have had dial-up in Canada for five years, I own an ISP). Not everyone is going to trust with all the scams that are run from outside of one country to another. Hell, it seems harder to get someone to ship from Germany to the USA that from the USA to Canada. Heck, some buyers don't even always realize Canada is foreign

If your Canadian, you can always offer a phone number. No country code? Included in my long distance? Makes people seem a lot safer. Heck, see if paypal can confirm your address. That last is the stumbling block.

Btw- in the eighties, my family was hit with well over $40,000 in scam via money orders... I don't like them, and do not accept them normally. We ate it.

 

[Roman]

And don't forget, with European prices it's usually dollars = Euros, and with the good (for us) exchange rate (and the scarcity of Canon LTM lenses in Europe), he will most definitely lose quite a bit of money by shutting out potential buyers...

Roman

 

[Sonnar2]

The first risk of a transaction is taken by the buyer who pays with a promise of delivery.

True... and of course, that the item meets the description!
If a buyer states he allows paypal but no credit-card, this lowers my confidence to his seriosity, and if there is any doubt I would not bid because in this case there is no chance for me to get money back if the item isn't what it should be. Our credit card agencies demanding a proof before cancelling a transaction. They don't do it careless. I once canceled one with a seller in former Sowjet-Union, which item I never received and didn't communicate. I send them 10 pieces of paper as a proof. To me, it's fair. Anyway as a seller of an expensive item (I never sold one), I would exclude some countries from bidding, or using credit card payment. But not North-America, Europe and Australia.
With you guys in the US, I never had a problem. It can happen that shipment is slow, but then mostly snail German customs is responsible. Their behaviour is to store parcels the longer, the bigger the parcel is, the more priority it has, and th higher the customs duty is calculated (which can be everything between 6 and 26% of the customs value for the same class of item, I gave up trying to understand it...) A lens in a small box comes in 5 days if marked as private sending, a Graflex 4x5 took 7 weeks. Amazing.
cheers, Frank

 

[taffer]

Money orders are useful but here, if the destination country is not on the list of mutual money order agreements, they your only option us WU, which charges 10 euros for a 10-50 euros transfer.

The other option is Bidpay, which sends a US postal WU money order to the seller if he/she is not registered with them, that's usually way cheaper.

I must say I've never had a serious problem (knock on wood), and even when the parcels have been lost (one now) I've always found sellers that try to help as much as they can. That said, when there's a lost parcel or a refund, you enter in a very long period and you must arm yourself with loads of patience, and probably some buyers are impatient enough to irritate the seller

 

[rover]

I guess the lesson for buyers and sellers is to be careful. Truth is there are bad people everywhere so as Rob says the Paypal protections are important. There are good people too, and I am happy to say that I have not had any problems to date.

Natalia, Money Orders are just like checks, sort of. I simply deposited the Canadian Postal Money Order I just recently received from you know who into my bank account. The teller looked it over, but there were no issues.

 

[John Shriver]

That 35/1.5 with the "Buy It Now" price of $750 is my old lens. I advertised it here a couple of months ago for $495. It didn't sell, so I advertised on PN for the same asking price and sold it for $450 to that person, who pissed and moaned through the whole deal trying to get me lower on price. And now he/she is asking $750 for it. Bwahahahaha!

Don

Yeah, eBay seller contax.g2 is into buying things, and then trying to resell the same item on eBay with a buy-it-now price at least $200 higher than what he paid for it. For instance, he bought a 100/2 for $460.55 on 1/16/05 (item 3866330471), and was flogging it within a week with a buy-it-now of $650, and a reserve presumably above what he paid. (He did keep the case.)

Well, shucks, he found a sucker on the third try. Item 3874466147. I feel sorry for the buyer, that's the highest price I've ever seen that lens sell for. (The winner had not bid on the auction contax.g2 won it in.)

 

[jlw]

I neither believe the 85/1.5 is so bad. Maybe it's soft wide-open, which can be nice and is common for a high-speed early 1950's portrait lens.

And then again maybe it's not. Here's a shot from last week's "Romeo and Juliet" rehearsals with the 85 on an Epson R-D 1. Yes, this is a JPEG and yes, it was shot at a high ISO, but considering those things, if you look at the inset, it's not too shabby for a high-speed antique!

All of these lenses are for "RF freaks" who hate SLR cameras... be honest, highspeed portrait lens on a SLR are much better to handle. "you see what you get", Out of focus control, even weight...

Maybe I am one of those "RF freaks," but I much prefer the handling of the 85/1.5 on an RF camera over, say the 85/1.4 Minolta AF I used to own. The Minolta, like all high-speed SLR lenses, was awkwardly huge in overall diameter -- necessary in order to leave room for an SLR auto diaphragm mechanism with blades large enough to cover the glass. As for out-of-focus control... well, at full aperture, you can pretty well assume that everything except the exact focus plane is going to be out of focus to one degree or another, so why worry? In some types of shooting, the fact that you CAN see the background through an RF camera (vs. a smooth blur through an SLR) is an advantage -- it's easier to keep track of what's going on around the main subject.

But then, as I say, these may be the rationalizations of an RF freak!

 

[back alley]

as an rf freak myself, i gotta say i love the 85/2 that i have.

jlw, that's an impressive shot.
maybe i should sell everything and buy an rd...

i find my 85/2 to be a beast in comparison to the cv 75/2.5 (size wise) but i love the look & feel of it. and it's plenty sharp too.

joe

 

[jlw]

jlw, that's an impressive shot.
maybe i should sell everything and buy an rd...

Glad you like it, but nah, you wouldn't need to spring for the R-D. You could get images at least as good by shooting film.

For me, the only advantage of the R-D is that the people who use my photos need them digitally for cost reasons, and there's not enough time in my life to scan everything I shoot.