Chinese Red Flag 20 and lenses

[ted211]

I am a German collector. How can I get a camera 1503?
Best regards,
Detlev

 

[Greyscale]

A bargain at $12,900

Red Flag 20

I was considering buying it, but that $40 shipping cost is a dealbreaker.🙄

 

[ErnestoJL]

I think the price isn´t that bad if you see the S/N, but anyway, anyone (even I) can buy an M4 in pretty good shape for a lot less...
One way or another, today it´s a collector´s item. The seller thinks it´s only intended for display as a rare item which in fact is.
Definitely, the asking price is for collectors, not for many of Us, the bargain hunters like me.

Cheers
Ernesto

 

[zhang xk]

I think the price isn´t that bad if you see the S/N, but anyway, anyone (even I) can buy an M4 in pretty good shape for a lot less...
One way or another, today it´s a collector´s item. The seller thinks it´s only intended for display as a rare item which in fact is.
Definitely, the asking price is for collectors, not for many of Us, the bargain hunters like me.

Cheers
Ernesto

Hi Ernesto,

I am both a bargain hunter and a collector. That is why I am interested in Chinese and Russian gears.🙂😉

I caught some rare lenses recently. The one with 1/50 on the front ring is a 'e' line reduction lens similar to Nikon ultra micro lenses. I am not sure about the application of that Seagull 120/4. That is a big and heavy lens.

Cheers

Zhang

 

[zhang xk]

I am a German collector. How can I get a camera 1503?
Best regards,
Detlev

Hi,

They are very rare and very hard to find. Sometimes they show up at Chinese camera auctions. I only saw it once at an auction.

Kind Regards,

Zhang

 

[zhang xk]

Hi Ernesto,

I am both a bargain hunter and a collector. That is why I am interested in Chinese and Russian gears.🙂😉

I caught some rare lenses recently. The one with 1/50 on the front ring is a 'e' line reduction lens similar to Nikon ultra micro lenses. I am not sure about the application of that Seagull 120/4. That is a big and heavy lens.

Cheers

Zhang

Hi,

Collector Youfang posted an image of Haiou lenses, and there is this rare 120/4.😀 It is a similar lens to Nikon UMN line products. It must be a very expensive industrial lens.

Cheers.

 

[J-Paul]

Hello Dear Master Zhang.
Hello everybody
A small return to "your home" after a very long time ... too long time !

I read what was written ... our friend Ernesto and like you, Master Zhang, I am a collector + user, without any wall between the two passions.
I like to test and work with great care, old cameras. It's a real pleasure to wake up gently.
My RF is, of course, with those and with still a lot of emotions.
Those that I do not try, are those for which films are hard to find, those old age has weakened, those with whom I photographed a lot when I was younger and I know too well, and also the "mint" unused.
For me, the RF is really not a Hermes Leica into its box, but a great camera, made to work.
It is only sad that it is so rare ...

Kind regards

J-Paul

Sooooooory for my bad english lunguage

 

[kbg32]

A bargain at $12,900

Red Flag 20

I was considering buying it, but that $40 shipping cost is a dealbreaker.🙄

$12,900. Economy shipping. I like that!

 

[J-Paul]

Red Flag 20

Red Flag 20

Westlicht Auctions :Red Flag + 3 lenses + original suitcase

http://www.westlicht-auction.com/index.php?id=232050&acat=232050&_ssl=off
Lot:274

😱

Best regards. J-Paul

 

[J-Paul]

Technic chinese camera

Technic chinese camera

Hello !

Someone here knows it this studio technical camera?
Master Zhang, perhaps?
Thank you in advance for your answers.

Cheers.
J-Paul
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[zhang xk]

Hello !

Someone here knows it this studio technical camera?
Master Zhang, perhaps?
Thank you in advance for your answers.

Cheers.
J-Paul
.

Hello Mr. J-Paul,

How are you doing? Long time no see you!🙂

A new camera in your collection? No, I never saw it before. It is not the usual studio camera that I saw in those old style studios.

Kind Regards,

Zhang

 

[zhang xk]

Here are a few more recent catches. Some industrial lenses of Chinese counterparts of Nikon ultra Micro made in 1970's.

 

[raytoei@gmail.com]

using google translate:
"LOT 274
Shanghai Red Flag 20 equipment

Extremely rare complete equipment of the Chinese M4 copy (less than 200 units have been produced on behalf of the government, none have been sold in the open market) housing in good working condition, with all three matching lenses: 1,4 / 35mm (Summilux copy) No .77217 (original cap, diaphragm), 1.4.50 (Nr.770097 Summilux copy, original cover, lid), 2/90 (Nr.760039 Summicron copy, cover), all in good condition, in original equipment carrying case with black RED FLAG red velvet inlay

Condition: B / A
Year: 1977
Serial number: 770 140

EUR 16,000 (starting bid)
EUR 108,000 (hammer price including premium)"

Westlicht Auctions :Red Flag + 3 lenses + original suitcase

http://www.westlicht-auction.com/index.php?id=232050&acat=232050&_ssl=off
Lot:274

😱

Best regards. J-Paul

 

[zhang xk]

using google translate:
"LOT 274
Shanghai Red Flag 20 equipment

Extremely rare complete equipment of the Chinese M4 copy (less than 200 units have been produced on behalf of the government, none have been sold in the open market) housing in good working condition, with all three matching lenses: 1,4 / 35mm (Summilux copy) No .77217 (original cap, diaphragm), 1.4.50 (Nr.770097 Summilux copy, original cover, lid), 2/90 (Nr.760039 Summicron copy, cover), all in good condition, in original equipment carrying case with black RED FLAG red velvet inlay

Condition: B / A
Year: 1977
Serial number: 770 140

EUR 16,000 (starting bid)
EUR 108,000 (hammer price including premium)"

IIRC， this auction house has auctioned off quite a few Red Flag 20s and some Shanghai 58-2s. I wonder when they will contact me for those rare lenses?😀😉

 

[goamules]

That sale was pure investment speculation. Just because something is rare, doesn't mean it's valuable. You have to have at least two that want it (demand). I have a lot of rare lenses that are just as uncommon, but there is little demand so they don't have much value. Paying that kind of money for a basic piece of metal and glass is crazy. Unless you are so rich it's not much money. But I wouldn't want to be the collector with of room full of these that decides he needs to sell them one day. He may discover the bubble phenomena.

 

[zhang xk]

That sale was pure investment speculation. Just because something is rare, doesn't mean it's valuable. You have to have at least two that want it (demand). I have a lot of rare lenses that are just as uncommon, but there is little demand so they don't have much value. Paying that kind of money for a basic piece of metal and glass is crazy. Unless you are so rich it's not much money. But I wouldn't want to be the collector with of room full of these that decides he needs to sell them one day. He may discover the bubble phenomena.

I understand and agree to what you said except that paper money was not like toilet tissues like those rubles when the USSR collapsed.😀:bang:

Those Arriflex standard mount primes are quite useful today. It is not easy to find a 20mm F2 compact lens that focus down to 0.3m for my Olympus EPL2. Those movie primes optical quality are equal to that of Zeiss and Cooke products of the same time period according to what I heard from a guy in the Nr. 608 factory.😀

 

[goamules]

I understand and agree to what you said except that paper money was not like toilet tissues like those rubles when the USSR collapsed.😀:bang:

Those Arriflex standard mount primes are quite useful today. It is not easy to find a 20mm F2 compact lens that focus down to 0.3m for my Olympus EPL2. Those movie primes optical quality are equal to that of Zeiss and Cooke products of the same time period according to what I heard from a guy in the Nr. 608 factory.😀

Yes, I just sold a Soviet FED 50/2.0 for a couple hundred dollars. Now I could buy a real Leica Summar, for about the same price. I had an Angenieux 25/0.95 I used on my m4/3 that was pretty exotic for a few hundred more. What I'm saying is paying 10,000 dollars for a camera kit is the same as paying 10,000 for a rare baseball card. You are hoping it will increase in value as other people decide they must have it. I'd go for the Zeiss or Cooke at 1/10th the price.

 

[varjag]

Chinese people become more affluent, and there are enough people who have both money and appreciation of their own historical artifacts. Same happens in Russia, prices for less common equipment are steadily climbing.

You better get used to it, cause the times when you could get anything from commie block for a carrot are gone for good now.

 

[zhang xk]

Chinese people become more affluent, and there are enough people who have both money and appreciation of their own historical artifacts. Same happens in Russia, prices for less common equipment are steadily climbing.

You better get used to it, cause the times when you could get anything from commie block for a carrot are gone for good now.

Thanks! That is what my friends in Russia told me too. Rare vintage soviet era cameras and watches are demanding high prices now as is vintage Chinese items. When the current economy crisis is over, we will see even higher prices for these items.😀

 

[zhang xk]

Here is a super rare Chinese lens made in Fujian province in 1977.
It is a 80mm F1.0 lens! If you think it is a copy of something, show me its Japanese, German, or Russian original, and tell me its applicaion. :bang:

It weighs more than 3 kilograms, focus from 5 meters to infinate, and closes dowm from F1.0 to F16. It is very well built and finished as a high end lens. There is a Nikon 85mm F1.0 reproduction lens, but that lens is much smaller and lighter without a focusing ability.
I never saw it before, neither could I find any information about it. Its s/n of 77202 indicates more than 200 lenses made in that year, but I doubt it. Maybe only 1-2 pieces were made?😀 It could have the same application as that of the Nikon one as it has a short focul plane. It is not a normal photographic lens.