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why do people hate crop factors so much?
crop factor question
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Keith
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shyoon
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Lack of fast wide-angle lenses.
ChrisP
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You get more DOF so you don't feel as pro,
Also worse low light performance, so you don't feel as pro (this is debateable, if you stop down FF to get the same DOF you get the same high ISO performance because you need to use a higher ISO, but if you really need the shot and don't mind f1.2 DOF than FF wins out),
If you use old lenses on the a crop factor they don't act the same, this is the big one, having to use a 28mm to get close to a 50mm eqiv on 4/3 sucks. I haven't seen many 25mm f0.7's (50/1.4 eqiv) for 4/3.
Also if you have a mirror, cropped sensor means squinty viewfinder, which actually does suck and makes MF near impossible (especially after using the viewfinder in the OM-1 and Pentax MX)
Also worse low light performance, so you don't feel as pro (this is debateable, if you stop down FF to get the same DOF you get the same high ISO performance because you need to use a higher ISO, but if you really need the shot and don't mind f1.2 DOF than FF wins out),
If you use old lenses on the a crop factor they don't act the same, this is the big one, having to use a 28mm to get close to a 50mm eqiv on 4/3 sucks. I haven't seen many 25mm f0.7's (50/1.4 eqiv) for 4/3.
Also if you have a mirror, cropped sensor means squinty viewfinder, which actually does suck and makes MF near impossible (especially after using the viewfinder in the OM-1 and Pentax MX)
andredossantos
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For me, and I can see how this sounds completely silly, but the crop factor means my "fast 50" gets no use and not only that, my second favorite lens (35mm) is now a normal and I have to use a 24mm to get that slightly wide look.
I used a crop DSLR for several years and I adapted fine but in the end decided that I do photography for fun so why compromise? I now have a FF camera with one lens, a 50mm f/1.2 and I'm so happy. It felt so good having that lens back.
I used a crop DSLR for several years and I adapted fine but in the end decided that I do photography for fun so why compromise? I now have a FF camera with one lens, a 50mm f/1.2 and I'm so happy. It felt so good having that lens back.
gekopaca
French photographer
You can ave vignetting and corner softness with a large crop factor, for example with C-mount lenses on a M43 camera (crop factor = 2).
For samples, see :
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99501
IMO the real problem with crop factor is for peole (like me) who need (ultra) wides.
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a 15mm lens gives me about a 21 on the rd1...wide enough for me.
maddoc
... likes film again.
... a camera with crop-factor reminds me of a car with three wheels only, works but not as I am expecting.
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dan_sutton
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i don't mind crop factors. I shoot a 50mm on my m6 and this is an extreme, unusably wide lens on an 8x10. But lugging the deardorff around was too much and she is gone. So i guess all my cameras are croppers now. but for me it works just nice. I get used to the crop and shoot. I'm also flirting with getting a 90mm on a 4x5 and a 90mm on a 6x7 gw670iii, possibly the greatest camera ever made. Of course both are crop cameras with huge crop factors. However, I don't have to think of a 360mm lens as a normal and can adjust and shoot whatever.
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i've discoverd that a cropped 40 on my rd1 is a fov that i love! not many 60mm lenses out there to choose from but lots of 40s...
andredossantos
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willie_901
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Well, I hate small sensors because the smaller the sensor, the lower the dynamic range. Current sensor technology does not favor small pixels crowded together.
I hate loosing angle-of-view and the ability to use narrow DOF if I want (need) to.
I can spend $1010 and get a 25/0.95 Nokton that performs like a F2 lens with regard to DOF. Of course the OOF rendering is very nice. But still, 25mm F2 DOF for $1010?
I hate loosing angle-of-view and the ability to use narrow DOF if I want (need) to.
I can spend $1010 and get a 25/0.95 Nokton that performs like a F2 lens with regard to DOF. Of course the OOF rendering is very nice. But still, 25mm F2 DOF for $1010?
dof
Fiat Lux
I'm a fan of the 50mm FOV, but do not enjoy using the 35mm frame lines on the M8. I'd have to acknowledge that some of it likely stems from the habit of using the film bodies for many years, but the ergnonomics of the viewfinder are important. I think the 50/75 frame lines are better laid out.
Even as a roughly 67mm equivalent (an oddball focal length if ever there was one), I'm more comfortable shooting with a 50mm lens on the crop-factor body. I guess it's pretty simple: I miss my 50's. That's my main issue with the crop.
Even as a roughly 67mm equivalent (an oddball focal length if ever there was one), I'm more comfortable shooting with a 50mm lens on the crop-factor body. I guess it's pretty simple: I miss my 50's. That's my main issue with the crop.
gekopaca
French photographer
I like very much the 15mm on my R-D1 too… but the same lens on my GH1 become an umconfortable 30mm f4.5 😡
The X1.5 crop factor of the R-D1 is usable for me, but mostly because I can't afford a M9 🙂
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
Well I hate the fact that it alters the way I have to use some of my favorite lenses. And among other things, I cannot find a 28/2 that's anywhere near the size of my 35/2 summicron v. 3.
I deal with the change it forces upon me. But I do look forward to one day not having to deal with it.
I deal with the change it forces upon me. But I do look forward to one day not having to deal with it.
damien.murphy
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They're an inbetween solution, and necessitate changing up your set of lenses to regain the old fields of view you are accustomed to.
user237428934
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Of course it is. Ask some wildlife photographers. They like it that their 100-400mm or 600mm lens combined with a crop camera brings them closer to their subject.
ronnies
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Why is it crop factors are only an issue now when they've been with us since the start of photography? A LF 135mm lens gives a different view on a 5x4 camera than a 10x8.
Get used to it.
Ronnie
Get used to it.
Ronnie
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Sparrow
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... my granddad always called 135 miniature, those were the days 😉
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