Help! Any Translators around?

[rxmd]

getting back to the ukrainian spelling with "i" and two dots. the ukrainians pronounce kiev a abit more like kee-ee-v. the russians: kee-yeah-v

Also the accent is placed in different locations:

Ukrainian: kuh-YEEV (pronunciation)
Russian: KEE-yuhv (pronunciation)

Philipp

 

[karyllemia]

Emilgil, you will note that the two dots are not above an 'e' but an 'i'. I have 5/6 of these cameras all are dated 1958. I have been told that the factory was having a fall out with the masters from the Kremlin and that Kei (two dots) vwas the Ukranian way of spelling the name of the city. Anyone out there know?

Brian.

hmm.. that seems to be hard..

 

[NickolasB]

Direct translate -
"For Antipenko Ivan Vasilievich in of day of the miner for faultless work. A trust management."

About Russian \ Ukrainen.

Word Kiev in English = КИЕВ on Russian = Кiев on Ukrainen.

Ukrainen "i" = Russian "И" or in some times Russian "Ы".

If someone has problems with translation of Russian inscriptions - ask. I will help without problems.
Thanks.
Nickolay.

🙂

 

[Joao]

If someone has problems with translation of Russian inscriptions - ask. I will help without problems.
Thanks.
Nickolay.

🙂

Hello Nickolay
Could you be so kind as helping me to understand what is stamped in this neck strap of my Junost rangefinder ? The caracters are not very legible, sorry.
Thanks in advance
Joao

 

[rxmd]

Word Kiev in English = КИЕВ on Russian = Кiев on Ukrainen.

Not quite. Kiev is called Київ in Ukrainian; if you want to spell the Ukrainian pronounciation with the Russian letters, one would spell it Кыив, the accent in Ukrainian is on the second syllable, while in Russian it's on the first.

Russian "o" or "e" quite often corresponds to "i" in Ukrainian, as in Lvov/Lviv, Khar'kov/Khar'kiv etc. The village where my wife's family comes from is called Aleksandrovka in Russian and Oleksandrivka in Ukrainian. You can still see the connection in the declension; for example the city of Lvov in western Ukraine is called "Львів" in Ukrainian, with an "i", but for example the form in the sixth case e.g. "in Lvov" is "у Львові" in Ukrainian, where the "o" appears again. In Russian the same form would be "во Львове", and in the final letters of the Ukrainian and Russian forms you can again see the e-i connection between the two languages.

Philipp

 

[NickolasB]

Hello Nickolay
Could you be so kind as helping me to understand what is stamped in this neck strap of my Junost rangefinder ? The caracters are not very legible, sorry.
Thanks in advance
Joao

Hello.
On strap: "ш.с. ф-ка" is in abbreviated form a sewing ("швейная") and shoe ("сапожная") factory ("ф-ка") Karl Marx's name ("им. К.МАРКСА"). Words on the second line are not read almost - badly printed.

Good Luck!

 

[NickolasB]

Not quite. Kiev is called Київ in Ukrainian; if you want to spell the Ukrainian pronounciation with the Russian letters, one would spell it Кыив, the accent in Ukrainian is on the second syllable, while in Russian it's on the first.

Russian "o" or "e" quite often corresponds to "i" in Ukrainian, as in Lvov/Lviv, Khar'kov/Khar'kiv etc. The village where my wife's family comes from is called Aleksandrovka in Russian and Oleksandrivka in Ukrainian. You can still see the connection in the declension; for example the city of Lvov in western Ukraine is called "Львів" in Ukrainian, with an "i", but for example the form in the sixth case e.g. "in Lvov" is "у Львові" in Ukrainian, where the "o" appears again. In Russian the same form would be "во Львове", and in the final letters of the Ukrainian and Russian forms you can again see the e-i connection between the two languages.

Philipp

Hi Philipp
Philippe - if to speak about total distinction - that yes, languages different and many words and sound and are written absolutely on a miscellaneous. For example in English flowers, in Russian "цветы", in an Ukrainian language "квiткi. In English guy, in Russian"парень", in an Ukrainian language"парубок". I speak about how inhabitants of Ukraine now write. At me there a lot of familiar and I receive often enough from them e-mails. There just "и" or "ы" it is replaced on"i".

Thanks.
Nickolay.
🙂

 

[rxmd]

Hi Nikolai,

For example in English flowers, in Russian "цветы", in an Ukrainian language "квiткi"

"Квітки", pronounced quit-KUH or something, but yes, you're basically right. The languages have a lot in common. In Eastern Ukraine you have large areas where people speak a mixed dialect called Surzhyk which uses elements from both languages. I learned Russian in university, but everything I know about Ukrainian comes from the Surzhyk of my wife's village; when I speak with people from Western Ukraine I get a lot of weird looks because I am technically a foreigner, but I have the accent of a Russian who has been hanging round in the countryside in the East too much. I like it 🙂

In e-mails you have all sorts of extra confusion because of the different keyboards and keyboard layouts, and especially when people write quickly or when they mix Russian and Ukrainian things get completely mixed up - much like English speakers in e-mails are sloppy about "your" and "you're", or "would have" and "would of", or "photos" and "photo's".

Привет из Германии / Привіт з Німеччини -

Philipp

 

[Joao]

Hello.
On strap: "ш.с. ф-ка" is in abbreviated form a sewing ("швейная") and shoe ("сапожная") factory ("ф-ка") Karl Marx's name ("им. К.МАРКСА"). Words on the second line are not read almost - badly printed.

Good Luck!

Thanks a lot. I presume this was where the case & neck strap were made. Interesting, it is the only case I have with this kind of indication.
Best regards
Joao

 

[_YM_]

Nikcolay, translate, please.

Nikcolay, translate, please.

Во второй строке возможно название города. Там просматривается г. и название города. Какой город я пока не придумал. Дальше возможно штамп ОТК. А еще второе слово похоже на что-то типа открыто или отккрывается. Но все это - только мои догадки.


Best regards, Yury Mikheev.

 

[_YM_]

I think in second line is written ?. ????????? (town Bogorodsk), OTK. Next i can't understand.

 

[kiev4a]

The party was big on presentation cameras, awarded for outstanding performance in industry and the military. One reason was the cameras were a cheap way to make an award. Once had a chance to bid on a Zorki 2C inscribed to the commander of the Baltic Fleet for outstanding performance during some maneuvers. Wish I had bid higher.

Zorki 2Cs were one of the favorite award cameras. I think this is the first time I've seen an engraved Kiev.

 

[USSRPhoto]

Translating YM:

"On the second line there may be a name of a city. You can kind of see "g" (Which is "Gorod" - City) and the name of the city. What city I haven't thought of yet. Afterwards there may be a stamp "OTK". Also a second word looks like either "otrkryto"(open) or "otrkryvayetso"(opening). But all of this is just my best guess."

 

[ASAR]

Greetings with the Miner's day to Antipenko Ivan Vasilievich for the perfect work. The management of the company. 28 Aug. 1960

 

[Dr Death]

BTW this is Ukrainian alnguage. I understand it quite well and Vlad you are right in your translation.