Kodak 2Q Report Out Today

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"ROCHESTER, NY and SINGAPORE, Aug. 1 -- Eastman Kodak Company (NYSE: EK) today announced an agreement in which Flextronics International Ltd. (NASDAQ: FLEX) will manufacture and distribute Kodak consumer digital cameras and will manage certain camera design and development functions. Under the agreement, Kodak will divest its entire digital camera manufacturing requirements to Flextronics, including assembly, production, and testing. Flextronics will also manage the operations and logistics services for Kodak’s digital still cameras. Kodak will continue to develop the high-level system design, product look and feel and user experience, and will conduct advanced research and development for its digital still cameras. Kodak will also retain its intellectual property. "
 
yeah, ive never been impressed with kodak digital cameras (the cheap consumer ones they are hocking off to as many people as they can 4 times a year) so im not surprised about their declining digital sales. I am pretty surprised about those film sales though, looks like their film sales are keeping them from drowning ;p
 
It is really hard to judge film vitality from Kodak annual reports and quarterly earnings. Let's remember that before there were digital cameras, Kodak was already a rather poorly run company.

Sort of the GM of the film world.
 
Flyfisher Tom said:
It is really hard to judge film vitality from Kodak annual reports and quarterly earnings. Let's remember that before there were digital cameras, Kodak was already a rather poorly run company.

Sort of the GM of the film world.
LOL! Personally I don't see Kodak as an innovative company. I don't think they deserve to survive. The only interesting digital products that I've seen from them were overpriced, poorly marketed, and gained a poor reputation from a lack of support after sale. I wouldn't even mind Kodak losing money on film and retreating from the market. Personally I've always preferred Fuji.
 
speak for yourself but I see no reason to spite a film company that has been around for ages and has some good film. I personally like tmax 100 and 400 a lot. I would hate to see them go.
 
Creagerj said:
speak for yourself but I see no reason to spite a film company that has been around for ages and has some good film. I personally like tmax 100 and 400 a lot. I would hate to see them go.
No offense it's just that I'm not a big fan of Kodak and happen to agree with the opinion of those that think it is a poorly run company. I would hope that if it ever did leave the market it would simply make room for more innovative producers and assure the survival of other companies that I happen to have more faith in.
 
as a user of bulk tmax (100 and 400) I wouldnt like to see kodak go - even only for the sentimental value - but it is very poorly managed for years now or so it seems from a side.I wonder how fuji is doing(I use their color\slide).
I hope ilford and tetenal continue to make profits.I like their products.
 
I agree that kodak is poorly managed entirley. I just wish that they could get it together. I wish that they would put a little more stock into their profesional films and not discontinue so many. I wish that they would stop trying to bite into a market like digital cameras so blindly.
 
This seems like a big win for Flextronics. Flextronics already has much of the manufacturing for Xerox WorkCentre (formerly Document Centre) products, and probably other lines as well. So here in Rochester, lots of jobs have been sent to Singapore and China or at least transferred to Flextronics corporate structure.

In the digital consumer market, Kodak is counting on developing new applications for digital capture and image management to enhance its position. I see this as interesting but inherently very risky. For over a hundred years the vast majority of amateur shooters have not cared much about storage and organization of images. What makes Kodak think that will change? As slick as the software might be, Joe Consumer will quickly drop such technology if it gives them any problems in installation, compatibility and stability issues, etc. Word of such problems will spread like wildfire among a market of users that doesn't care much about working through such problems nor about changing their expectations.

Then there's the product churn issue. As Kodak is (inherently?) inefficient, how will they make profit in the fast-paced digital market? Outsourcing to Flextronics is an admission that they can't do it themselves profitably ... or profitably enough.

Another source of revenue and growth for Kodak in the digital world is sensor technology. This is where I think they actually have some strength. Developing sensors for companies like Olympus, Leica, etc., is not only potentially profitable, but important in terms of in terms of advancing digital capture. Can they move ahead in this area? Innovating and advancing in this sector is really important to them. Peraonally I'm neutral on their prospects, but do think they have the assets to be successful. Execution will be critical.

Also note in the quarterly results that they are still exploring what to do with the medical imaging unit. I don't completely understand the financials of this unit, but I see the health care imaging field as a potential for revenue and growth. The potential sale of this unit seems odd to me.

The similarity between Kodak and Xerox is that neither have managed the transition to software/applications focus well. Xerox has done somewhat better, perhaps because of (very) slightly better/smarter management, especially at the middle management level and X's willingness to ge more agreesive with changes at that level. Kodak's culture made that much more difficult.

All-in-all, Rochester has been hit hard. Kodak used to be the largest employer here, with Xerox number 2. They now trail the University of Rochester in employment.
 
I just wish they wont stop film production, or at least sell it to small company... t-max is stunn (I still have to shoot on tri-x (don`t lought) 😀
 
sircarl said:
Depressingly, "film and photofinishing sales" continued to slide, down 23% in the quarter. But interestingly, the company still managed to make a profit (of $113 million) off them. And amazingly, their "consumer digital sales" were down 6% and they actually LOST $79 million from this. Not a pretty picture.

See http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=2709&pq-locale=en_US&gpcid=0900688a80589b9f.


Lets look at this, film and photofinishing dropped 23% and still turned a profit while digital products were down 6% and lost money. There has to be a business school case study on how not to run a company with Kodak as the chief example.

My Christmas/Haunakah/Winter solstice wish is Kodak spins off its film division to people who know what they are doing and are passionate about the product. Best case scenario, another Ilford, worst case Agfa. I think in the right hands the film division can make money for a long time to come.
 
Tri-X is an old favorite of mine, as is Kodak Gold 100 for color. Most of my B/W photos are printed on Kodak paper with their chemistry.

That said, rather than find a way to make B/W paper profitable, the new management team, many of which came from HP's digital and printer division, killed Kodak's B/W paper product line. The CEO proudly announced that this meant that Kodak was committed to digital. The still sell the chemistry, but not the paper.

I wish Kodak well, but the new management's tin ear towards traditional analog photography has led me to migrate to Ilford and Fuji.
 
zuikologist said:
Is there an comment on cash flow from the film/paper division? That is the real measure of success and continuing survival.

From Kodak's 2nd Quarter Report...

"Film and Photofinishing Systems sales were $1.153 billion, down from $1.503 billion in the year-ago quarter. Earnings from operations were $113 million, compared with $244 million in the year-ago quarter. This decrease was primarily attributable to an expected decline in revenue; non-cash charges for depreciation because of the asset useful life changes made in the third quarter of 2005; and higher silver prices. During the second quarter of 2006, the group achieved a 10% operating margin, in line with the company’s expectations."
 
Keep it with Kodak...

Keep it with Kodak...

Thank you for posting Carl!

Is it depressing news? It seems to reflect the on-going trend for the evaporating film industry, at least in Kodak's hands. Thankfully Fuji and Ilford and the smaller European companies are holding their market ground.

Good luck to Kodak's digital sell-off too. I'm very happy with my latest gimmicky and ultra-cool digital camera. Sony Ericsson cameras are just fantastic at capturing the essence of low quality digital photography.

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Miffy

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Kodak is a research company pretending to be a manufacturing company. They make great stuff, they just don't know what to do with it when they do. Their films are superb, their chemicals have been among the most innovative, and their sensor technology is really quite excellent, but their marketing and product design is usually not up to par with other companies.
 
Uncle Bill said:
Lets look at this, film and photofinishing dropped 23% and still turned a profit while digital products were down 6% and lost money. There has to be a business school case study on how not to run a company with Kodak as the chief example.

My Christmas/Haunakah/Winter solstice wish is Kodak spins off its film division to people who know what they are doing and are passionate about the product. Best case scenario, another Ilford, worst case Agfa. I think in the right hands the film division can make money for a long time to come.

I believe Kodak is showing a profit in this sector because of cost cutting - i.e. plant closures and lay-offs. There have been several closures already this year.

Instead of tumbling head-over-heals down the mountain, Kodak is carefully picking its way down the mountain on a path plotted by its management. The problem is that Kodak will eventually get to the bottom of the mountain. At that point there will be no more cost cutting options and I believe they will cease production of their analog photo products (except cinema film which is still in high demand).

I do believe we will reach a point where there will be only one worldwide producer of photographic film and paper - I just don't believe it will be Kodak.
 
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