dof
Fiat Lux
Whatever the model, one's last Leica M should have the 0.58 magnification finder to accommodate one's failing eyesight!
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My last film Leica?
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hans voralberg
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Why would you want a 0.58 magnification if your eyesight is failing ?? Shouldn't something like 0.85-0.91 better ?
dof
Fiat Lux
The 0.58 will simultaneously accommodate glasses and wide-angle lens use. You can also use magnification eye pieces to increase the magnification if you will...
What are you looking to gain beyond the IIIG, M3, and M4? Is there something missing, some niche that needs filling? What is the nature of that lack? The answer should point you toward the M7, the MP, something else, or nothing more.
squirrel$$$bandit
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marke
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rya and mabelsound:
I was half-kidding around with John when I made the suggestion. If you read his signature line, you will find out why. John is on a mission to educate the world that the Panasonic LX (Lumix) and even the Leica Dlux cameras are not real Leicas. Call them what you want, but after having tested several digital P&S models by various manufacturers, I found the lenses in my LX2 to give superior IQ, especially when considering these cameras have zoom lenses. And the only thing I can attribut that to is the lens design must have had some (important) input from Leica.
However, as I stated at the beginning of this post, I am only half-kidding with John, because I can relate somewhat to his sig line. And referring to that, a camera without a viewfinder is still a camera, but I prefer to use an optical VF over an LCD screen.
I was half-kidding around with John when I made the suggestion. If you read his signature line, you will find out why. John is on a mission to educate the world that the Panasonic LX (Lumix) and even the Leica Dlux cameras are not real Leicas. Call them what you want, but after having tested several digital P&S models by various manufacturers, I found the lenses in my LX2 to give superior IQ, especially when considering these cameras have zoom lenses. And the only thing I can attribut that to is the lens design must have had some (important) input from Leica.
However, as I stated at the beginning of this post, I am only half-kidding with John, because I can relate somewhat to his sig line. And referring to that, a camera without a viewfinder is still a camera, but I prefer to use an optical VF over an LCD screen.
rya
Established
Ahh, markE, humor taken and appreciated.
I wholly agree on them not being real Leica products but like you said, for a point and shoot they are tough to beat.
Several years ago I got a p&s with a vf but was very disappointed in its size and accuracy--so I ended up almost always using the screen. So now I am content with no VF on a p&s in exchange for its handiness.
I shoot film to enjoy the process of photography, I shoot digital to get an image.
Sorry for the foray!
I wholly agree on them not being real Leica products but like you said, for a point and shoot they are tough to beat.
Several years ago I got a p&s with a vf but was very disappointed in its size and accuracy--so I ended up almost always using the screen. So now I am content with no VF on a p&s in exchange for its handiness.
I shoot film to enjoy the process of photography, I shoot digital to get an image.
Sorry for the foray!
marke
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matt335
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I believe whatever feels best in your hands is what it is all about. Whatever helps you express yourself is what it is also all about. I own an MP. that's all I know. I love it. maybe if I held another model I would also fall in love with that.
johnastovall
Light Hunter - RIP 2010
Thanks to everyone for your input. I'm going to look at adding the M7 as my last film Leica. But it is one of the three truly break through Leicas of the M line. (the others were the M3 and M5) My M4 covers to me the peak of the fully mechanical bodies.
Bully
Established
Why did you ask the above question?
I´m a bit confused about your behaviour:
nearly everybody gives you the advice to take the fabulous MP, it is interesting that you want to take the M7.
Again, why did you ask this question, when you know your answer?
I´m a bit confused about your behaviour:
nearly everybody gives you the advice to take the fabulous MP, it is interesting that you want to take the M7.
Again, why did you ask this question, when you know your answer?
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Yes, John, what's up with this asking for information and making a decision? You are bound by votes here. No thinking allowed 😉
Al Kaplan
Veteran
Keep your M4...it's paid for, and I assume you already have a meter...AND SPEND THE MONEY YOU SAVE ON FILM, PAPER, AND CHEMICALS. You can still fondle an older camera. She'll love you for it.
newsgrunt
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I'm curious about something in general.
We shoot with rf which are manual focus. We miss a few here and there but that's part and parcel of the territory.
Why is it then, that some people rave about the auto exposure and it's convenience in not missing shots ? Seems a bit odd to praise manual focus but not manual exposure.
Pretty well the only auto whatever I use is the back focus button on the D3's, exposure is manual.
Again, just wondering.
We shoot with rf which are manual focus. We miss a few here and there but that's part and parcel of the territory.
Why is it then, that some people rave about the auto exposure and it's convenience in not missing shots ? Seems a bit odd to praise manual focus but not manual exposure.
Pretty well the only auto whatever I use is the back focus button on the D3's, exposure is manual.
Again, just wondering.
Chris101
summicronia
Blurry is fine - even arteestic but black (or white) is just not there.
rydcoco
Newbie
Seems that many Leica fans/users consider M7 not a true M.
If you are one of them you should read Erwin Putts M7 review/essay.
http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/M7/M7_start.html
I wonder why Leica didn't make a hybrid shutter like the Nikon FM3A body. Then you would shoot without batteries as the other M bodies.
And as other pointed, if you have two classic M bodies, M7 can expand your shotting possibilities with your M lenses.
As for me, my classic M6 is enough for the moment.
If you are one of them you should read Erwin Putts M7 review/essay.
http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/M7/M7_start.html
I wonder why Leica didn't make a hybrid shutter like the Nikon FM3A body. Then you would shoot without batteries as the other M bodies.
And as other pointed, if you have two classic M bodies, M7 can expand your shotting possibilities with your M lenses.
As for me, my classic M6 is enough for the moment.
kipkeston
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Maybe we'll see the end of the P and 7, and leica's final camera, the MP with AE, but all speeds operational without batteries.
Anyway, the M6 is my last and only film M. Every other M has too much or too little of what I need.
Anyway, the M6 is my last and only film M. Every other M has too much or too little of what I need.
johnastovall
Light Hunter - RIP 2010
It was re-reading Puts article over several time that tipped the balance to the M7. It as you say will expand my shooting possibilities.
marke
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I wouldn't consider purchasing the M7, or any other model for that matter, unless it has the same ss dial direction as my MP. Probably the main reason I don't use my M6 TTL much is because I'd would rather not have to think about the dial direction change when switching between the two cameras. That's why I'm surprized John chose the M7. But maybe he doesn't use (or won't be using) his other Ms enough for this to be a problem.
I would love to have another MP with a 0.58x VF to replace my 0.58x M6 TTL, but I don't know when I can afford to do that. That would be my last M camera.
johnastovall
Light Hunter - RIP 2010
It turns through a full 360 degrees.
"The shutter speed dial now rotates through a full 360 degrees."
The M6TTL was ruled out early on due to that reverse turning shutter speed.
"The shutter speed dial now rotates through a full 360 degrees."
The M6TTL was ruled out early on due to that reverse turning shutter speed.
