New Leica M digital Monochrome camera announced

I remember a member here on RFF spent grands to take the metering part of a MP out.

No offence but from this point, I could take the M-M well.
 
ramosa said:
I still can't believe that the APO Cron 50 will Cost $7195! That's more than three times the cost of the previous Cron 50 ,,,
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the mtf chart for the APO Cron 50 is otherworldly. pair the APO Cron 50 with the Elmar-M 24 f/3.8 ASPH. use them on the M9-M with its non-CFA equipped sensor. i believe the detail one would get will make one's eyes bleed. while i can't afford these tools, i admire what they'll do for those that can buy them. This kind of performance potential from a 135 format system as form-friendly as the Leica M is astounding.

ampguy said:
Great idea. I hope it does well.
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mfogiel said:
I have been advocating a digital M monochrome camera myself for years .... The price, as long as we remain in the realm of top pro cameras, is not a concern. The real concern is, wheather this camera can take pictures, that have the tonal qualities which can rival film. I have my doubts here, because nothing has been done to enhance the bit depth of the files, but let's wait and see some serious output from it ....
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Eight grand for a digital camera that can't take colour photos ... no thanks!


This will appeal to people who:

(a) Can't post process a raw colour file to get a satisfactory output.

(b) Want to own the first purpose built black and white digital rangefinder ... at any cost!

(c) Have the spare cash to suck up every offering that Leica comes up with.


I'm not against it ... I just don't see the point!
 
If Cosina were to produce a full frame Digital Bessa with frame lines covering focal lengths from 28 to 90 I'd most probably buy it and divest myself of some of the stuff I now have. But at the price of the new Leica it will not even be something I'll look at.
Of course, the Bessa would still take colour, but post processing in Silver FX would cover that and it seems you need to do it with the Leica anyway.

Just an afterthought - I wonder if the claimed performance of the new APO Summicron, even if proven, will be any better than my Rolleiflex can produce?
 
This constant barrage of new cameras that we're being subjected to at the moment has done my head in and finally turned me against the tide I think.

I've recently spent my spare cash on an RD-1, an OM-3 ... and am now thinking of getting some more lenses for my Hasselblad and stocking up on black and white MF film!

I don't care how good this thing is I know in my heart that a decent scan of a 6x7 or 6x6 correctly exposed black and white negative will kick it's arse tonally and will be very close for detail.
 
Keith said:
I don't care how good this thing is I know in my heart that a decent scan of a 6x7 or 6x6 correctly exposed black and white negative will kick it's arse tonally and will be very close for detail.
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.... plus with a close to real-life gradation digital design engineers would keep on dreaming to achieve many years more to come..

(A sad fact that digital so far has caused a sort of degradation in the "standards" we see and assess B&W. I notice it each time when I look at older 35mm especially MF prints.)
 
Keith said:
Eight grand for a digital camera that can't take colour photos ... no thanks!


This will appeal to people who:

(a) Can't post process a raw colour file to get a satisfactory output.

(b) Want to own the first purpose built black and white digital rangefinder ... at any cost!

(c) Have the spare cash to suck up every offering that Leica comes up with.


I'm not against it ... I just don't see the point!
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and
(d) Want a free Silver Efex Pro 2 ?
 
Keith said:
Eight grand for a digital camera that can't take colour photos ... no thanks!
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Never fear, I plan on launching a RGB Pokudin-Gorskii kit to fill this niche. I am hoping to do a deal with a major designer fashion label for an exclusive leather case version.
 
digitalintrigue said:
This is just one stop more sensitivity, however...not necessarily more DR.

It's the same sensor as the M9, so I have my doubts about 12-14 stops.
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You might get a bump in DR in the shadows because of reduced noise. Reduced noise not because the sensor 'has' less noise, but because you avoid introducing more noise with the de-bayer step.

I can't imagine that will take 9 stops to 12 though. I also can't see any way for highlight DR to be increased with the same sensor, which is what most of us filmies want. As far as I know, most sensor technology is pretty much the same there.
 
They ignored my suggestion of replacing the Bayer array with a clear/ND array.
That combo would have extended dynamic range at both ends while also increasing sharpness in the middle exposure zone where both darkened and clear cells were contributing information.

Tim Gray said:
I can't imagine that will take 9 stops to 12 though. I also can't see any way for highlight DR to be increased with the same sensor, which is what most of us filmies want. As far as I know, most sensor technology is pretty much the same there.
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This camera roughly equals 60,000+ frames of Tri-X, of which can be rated anywhere from 200 to 6400.

After owning two M8's and three M9's, ask me how their reliability was and which option I'd take?
 
FrozenInTime said:
They ignored my suggestion of replacing the Bayer array with a clear/ND array.
That combo would have extended dynamic range at both ends while also increasing sharpness in the middle exposure zone where both darkened and clear cells were contributing information.
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Yeah, I mentioned that possibility on another forum. Could have been interesting.
 
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