Richard G
Veteran
It's a win for M9 owners. M10 at Photokina now? I really don't care. MONOCHROM? Great for those that want it. Priced more or a little less than M9 really makes no difference.
jbot
Jared Krause
You've got 6!? Mail me one please. Thanks..
Seriously though they've priced this one a bit high even for them.
ramosa
B&W
I still can't believe that the APO Cron 50 will Cost $7195! That's more than three times the cost of the previous Cron 50 ,,,
victoriapio
Well-known
because there is probably no way to build it at that cost.
Sylvester
Well-known
Nikon and Canon can make full frames for a way lower price... Why build a Black and White only digital if it is going to cost more to make it than a colour one? These are not jewellery, these are tools. These should be made to be brought to Syria and Afghanistan with those who could profit from a tank camera built to highest standards and whatsoever. I love rangefinders. All I can afford is a Leica M2 or a CLE... or Voigtlander. Obviously these are not digital.
I won't be able to use them in my photography classes, which are a full time 3 years program by the way...
mervynyan
Mervyn Yan
my thought exactly, that make 50/.95 a child play, twice expensive that 75 apo.
victoriapio
Well-known
BOBYIL wrote:Here the white clouds with shades of light gray on a blue sky background have been demonstrated; you noted the "muddy" tones of clouds on the digital sample as being the first discrepancy in rendering. If you try the same for yellow fields (harvest scenery) and the ones toward red the differences in rendering would again be obvious. With red tones like brick walls there is more tendency with digital to "darken" as the red-band sensitivity of sensors shows a "falling" character compared to mid-band colors.
I will try to examine the pictures of the new M9M, to see if Leica was able to accomplish some substantial modification on the response curves in that thread. This is the heart of the issue with the digital B&W and I am sure in the meantime the owners of the M9 or M9P's will check their own results against them. What they would state would be more insightful."
Exactly and this may hold the key to Harry's 12-14 stops of exposure latitude
OC
I will try to examine the pictures of the new M9M, to see if Leica was able to accomplish some substantial modification on the response curves in that thread. This is the heart of the issue with the digital B&W and I am sure in the meantime the owners of the M9 or M9P's will check their own results against them. What they would state would be more insightful."
Exactly and this may hold the key to Harry's 12-14 stops of exposure latitude
OC
Ryan1938
Established
I can't help but somehow feel like Leica thinks I'm nuts or something... Seriously. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm not longer in Leica's target market.
BobYIL
Well-known
Leica expects the young like you to work hard, have a profession, earn money, get a permit-of-purchase from your wife or gf, then until you accomplish these prepare yourself to pay a car's price for a body and again a car's price for two of your favorite lenses to own a small kit digital Leica of the year. Leica always wants the young to accomplish even more than what their parents wish them to do.
victoriapio
Well-known
I agree that the costs are scary but NIKON and CANON do not build full frame rangefinders! There is a reason for this - rangefnder and hand building every lens, piece of glass, etc. The cheapest digital rangefinder ever made was the Epson RD1 and it was at close to $3k when it as discontinued. I am sure you know that Epson no longer makes that camera and probably the true cost of building it and supporting it were too much for them.
Harry Lime
Practitioner
Backup bodies and recently one of them died for good...
I've been shooting for a long time and picked up three of them about 10 years ago, when everyone thought that film was going to disappear overnight and were dumping their gear at insane prices.
Sylvester
Well-known
At this price I don't even call it accomplishment, I call it suicide...
Sylvester
Well-known
Then I hope Voigtlander will exploit this market or something... Just stick a nice sensor in a R2M and I'll be happy...
Harry Lime
Practitioner
I bought my first Leica and lens almost 15 years ago. These items were purchased new from a dealer and while they were not cheap, they did not amount to the cost of a Honda Civic...
sojournerphoto
Veteran
In practice it may have less DR than the M9, or similar. However, the sample images look very sharp and detailed. The picture of Notre Dame has ugly tonality, but Silver efex will probably fix that. What Silver efex will not fix is the inability to replicate film chromatic response (not really possible with a Bayer array either), and so filters will look different, just as they do between different films (anyone tried a deep red on Adox CHS25
)Mike
sojournerphoto
Veteran
I would really like to buy one just to support Leica for doing this. I probably won't, but I'm pleased it exists.
I'll have to see if my local dealer gets a demo I can borrow for a weekend.
Mike
I'll have to see if my local dealer gets a demo I can borrow for a weekend.
Mike
AndrewNYC
Established
So tilted pictures of cats and the backs of strangers heads will now be only in black and white, and purportedly sharper.
Vince Lupo
Whatever
I'd be interested in one, but I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison of image quality from it with a black and white image from a regular M9. If the difference is that dramatic (and particularly at high ISO), then I might make the switch. Need to get my D800e first though!
