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Excuse my lack of knowledge, but what are glass negatives?!
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Glass negatives were the old way to hold the emulsion before the film, that we now use, were in existence. They were usually taken with large format cameras.
Few people I know have used them because the technology is so old. We should ask Terence. He was probably shooting photos when they invented it ;-)
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Few people I know have used them because the technology is so old. We should ask Terence. He was probably shooting photos when they invented it ;-)
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Hi, guys, you seem speak English very well, I am curious what language do you speak at home, with your kid(s). I have hard time even for some English spelling. I, we, speak Mandarine, or Taiwanese( Min-nan or Fujian language, as you may have known, Fujian is a province north east of Guang-dong where many Taiwanese came from) in Taiwan.
I am not too much of a RF fan here but a photo enthusiast, my best cameras are Nikon 35ti and Hexar Silver, and I once had a Leica R6 w a 35mm f2.8. Later I found out the FD 35/2.8, FD 28/2.8, my Minolta MD 28/2.8, a Fuji EBC Fujinon 28/3.5 creat as good as the sharpest of my previous thought, the mighty Nikon 35/2.8 on the 35ti, I was really surprising, especially that FD 35mm 2.8, what a great lens.
I start to look for the guy Koichi Inakoshi's works, he used FD lenses only and his images are outstanding.
For RF, the Canonet 17 GIII, what a great little camera, and made in Taiwan too.
I think when taking photographs, you somehow want to creat a "form" of yourself for others to perssive, carrying a M6 ttl, MP a la carte or Canon A-1, you took the same picture(s), same composition. And when one is talking about Bokeh( in and out of concsienceness in Kanji), I give in. Just bought a Fujifilm F10, 4th digital I have, a break thru for myself here, NO OPTICAL FINDER!
Happy shooting guys, Singapore may get real hot and humid in summer.
I am not too much of a RF fan here but a photo enthusiast, my best cameras are Nikon 35ti and Hexar Silver, and I once had a Leica R6 w a 35mm f2.8. Later I found out the FD 35/2.8, FD 28/2.8, my Minolta MD 28/2.8, a Fuji EBC Fujinon 28/3.5 creat as good as the sharpest of my previous thought, the mighty Nikon 35/2.8 on the 35ti, I was really surprising, especially that FD 35mm 2.8, what a great lens.
I start to look for the guy Koichi Inakoshi's works, he used FD lenses only and his images are outstanding.
For RF, the Canonet 17 GIII, what a great little camera, and made in Taiwan too.
I think when taking photographs, you somehow want to creat a "form" of yourself for others to perssive, carrying a M6 ttl, MP a la carte or Canon A-1, you took the same picture(s), same composition. And when one is talking about Bokeh( in and out of concsienceness in Kanji), I give in. Just bought a Fujifilm F10, 4th digital I have, a break thru for myself here, NO OPTICAL FINDER!
Happy shooting guys, Singapore may get real hot and humid in summer.
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Peter
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Hello Taipei-Metro, most local chinese speaks mandarin or their own dialects at home. Education in Singapore is conducted in English and we have to learn our mother tongue too. My dad is from Taiwan, he came to Singapore with his company back in the 60s.
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nickchew
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Suzums also from Taiwan right? (but now in Malaysia)
Welcome Taipei-Metro, you think we speak as well as we write English. But the truth is that Singaporeans are notoriously bad at speaking English. We speak Singlish most of the time. That is a mixture of chinese dialects, hokkien, teochew, cantonese, mandarin, English and local malay language all "champo" (mixed) together. (It is amazing how many languages you can squeeze into a single sentence.) What is more amazing is that we actually understand each other!!!!
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Welcome Taipei-Metro, you think we speak as well as we write English. But the truth is that Singaporeans are notoriously bad at speaking English. We speak Singlish most of the time. That is a mixture of chinese dialects, hokkien, teochew, cantonese, mandarin, English and local malay language all "champo" (mixed) together. (It is amazing how many languages you can squeeze into a single sentence.) What is more amazing is that we actually understand each other!!!!
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Peter
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nickchew said:
But I must say that not all locals like Singlish. I am for one hated the awful sounding cacophony! I always believe a language is a window to a culture and should be respected. Slangs I could understand and accept but the 'champo' language of Singapore is really too much for my cultural sensitivity. I have a friend who is a school teacher who likes to speak 'Singa' Mandarin. I told her that she could insult me but please do not assassinate my mother tongue! :bang:
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Where'd my Bessa go?
Excuse me but my English is the goodest.
Peter, wait till you get a load of my mandarin, you'd know what language assasination is all about then. Having stopped lessons when I was a young 14 yr old has not helped things along. My dialects are as bad, I have no idea how I managed to live in Hong Kong for 4 years without picking up Cantonese. And I need an interpreter to speak my Hokkien speaking grandmother. Sad...
Peter, wait till you get a load of my mandarin, you'd know what language assasination is all about then. Having stopped lessons when I was a young 14 yr old has not helped things along. My dialects are as bad, I have no idea how I managed to live in Hong Kong for 4 years without picking up Cantonese. And I need an interpreter to speak my Hokkien speaking grandmother. Sad...
Terence T
Where'd my Bessa go?
Mr. Gan, you need to get all those glass negs scanned. If you haven't left KL yet, bring em with you today and I can pop into my favorite lab with em. There are a couple of real gems in the negs you showed me the other day.
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suzums
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Haha look at you people arguing! 
Hi Taipei-metro, or should I say 你好!在這裡很高興也看到台灣人!! (Can anyone else read that?!)
I am Taiwanese as well, but KL, Malaysia is where I actually call home! The only reason I can write English so well is because I've been educated this way almost all my life! 但是我還是會說國語! 看報紙應該也沒問題...就不要叫我寫就好了!
Yes yes, you should listen to the perfect 'Singaporean English' haha it really is quite something!
Oh and Nick, thanks for getting back to me about glass negatives! Haha I was a little lost there for a little while!
Hi Taipei-metro, or should I say 你好!在這裡很高興也看到台灣人!!
(Can anyone else read that?!)I am Taiwanese as well, but KL, Malaysia is where I actually call home! The only reason I can write English so well is because I've been educated this way almost all my life!
但是我還是會說國語! 看報紙應該也沒問題...就不要叫我寫就好了! Yes yes, you should listen to the perfect 'Singaporean English' haha it really is quite something!
Oh and Nick, thanks for getting back to me about glass negatives! Haha I was a little lost there for a little while!
Terence T
Where'd my Bessa go?
nickchew said:
Wow, I'm so old that I missed Nick's comment until now. Must be getting blind. And I can't even think of a come back.
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I was going to write something about languages, FD lenses, bokeh, and glass negatives, but I think I've just had too much to drink and don't feel too good.
Another time, perhaps. Mean while, here are some more pics of old Malaya.
Another time, perhaps. Mean while, here are some more pics of old Malaya.
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Peter
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I must say that the historical images of Malaya is simply amazing! You really have found a treasure trove! Can I buy a print from you?
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nickchew
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Peter
Don't get me started on language assassination and culture, I have some very strong opinions about that! However by virtue of the job that I do (and perhaps you too Peter) the use of language does not only serve the purpose of sharing information.
Very often, speaking the "language" and the "slangs" of the patient communicates more non verbally than is possible otherwise. It is for this reason that I often consciously speak Singlish, and I think it makes a difference when expressing emotions.
Susie
繁体字不会看，写正楷吧！
Can't write chinese without the pinying dictionary on my mac.
how do you ever write in traditional chinese? That's quite something.
Nick
Don't get me started on language assassination and culture, I have some very strong opinions about that! However by virtue of the job that I do (and perhaps you too Peter) the use of language does not only serve the purpose of sharing information.
Very often, speaking the "language" and the "slangs" of the patient communicates more non verbally than is possible otherwise. It is for this reason that I often consciously speak Singlish, and I think it makes a difference when expressing emotions.
Susie
繁体字不会看，写正楷吧！
Can't write chinese without the pinying dictionary on my mac.
how do you ever write in traditional chinese? That's quite something.
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suzums
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nickchew said:
Haha I write my characters with JuYin... thats traditional stylin' for yah! I have my base with Mandarin, that I have to thank my parents for.
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I am totally aginst simplified Chinese, it's just one word, ugly. sorry. Admittly, traditional Chinese is complicate and hard to learn and write, people write in some simplified form anyway, but not as that simplified as Chinese goverment did, Mao almost got rid of ALL Chinese characters and replaceing it with Pinying( English spelling ) remember? He was a liberian and wondered by an English typewriter.
Japan used Kanji ( Chinese characters ), the older the Japanese book the more Kanji inside.
There is one TV program in Japan, like a game show type, is to test the ability of Japanese movie, TV idols, stars, celebs, how many Kanji they know.
I did not know Singapore use English in class rooms, so, you guys did not kick the English out yet? Ming general Zheng Chen-kon kicked the Dutches out of Taiwan back in 16xx something year, if not, Taiwan would be like South Africa today.
Susie, Hi, I like your photos in Beijing, that one with two young ladies #15 and " Ready-set-go" one.
I bulk load tri-X, Neopan Fuji, Agfapan, Sakura (Konica ) B&W years ago, somehow after my son was born, I stop using b and w all together. Sorry. I feel b n w is a bit fake to describe the people and scenes. I held several photo shows in Taipei before, only the very first one was all B and W.
Sorry, not a Arbus fan either. There is a 30 something Japanese female photographer, Nagashima Yurie, very interesting lady, very famous in Japan npw, a lot of critics hate her works. Her latest work I saw was a 8 pages in Dec. 2004 Asahi Camera, no Leica no Contax, she used a Nikon FG-20 ( best shutter sound I've sampled ), a Pentax point and shoot Espio 105, and 6X7 Pentax, and Fujicolor 400 (I love this film). A very interesting photographer.
Japan used Kanji ( Chinese characters ), the older the Japanese book the more Kanji inside.
There is one TV program in Japan, like a game show type, is to test the ability of Japanese movie, TV idols, stars, celebs, how many Kanji they know.
I did not know Singapore use English in class rooms, so, you guys did not kick the English out yet? Ming general Zheng Chen-kon kicked the Dutches out of Taiwan back in 16xx something year, if not, Taiwan would be like South Africa today.
Susie, Hi, I like your photos in Beijing, that one with two young ladies #15 and " Ready-set-go" one.
I bulk load tri-X, Neopan Fuji, Agfapan, Sakura (Konica ) B&W years ago, somehow after my son was born, I stop using b and w all together. Sorry. I feel b n w is a bit fake to describe the people and scenes. I held several photo shows in Taipei before, only the very first one was all B and W.
Sorry, not a Arbus fan either. There is a 30 something Japanese female photographer, Nagashima Yurie, very interesting lady, very famous in Japan npw, a lot of critics hate her works. Her latest work I saw was a 8 pages in Dec. 2004 Asahi Camera, no Leica no Contax, she used a Nikon FG-20 ( best shutter sound I've sampled ), a Pentax point and shoot Espio 105, and 6X7 Pentax, and Fujicolor 400 (I love this film). A very interesting photographer.
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suzums
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Wow, those are some very strong feelings Taipei-metro but I'm glad you've tried to explain them in someways. Though I don't understand the point that you are trying to make.
Though I have a hard times understanding simplified Chinese myself, but I am not against it. The Chinese have just found their way by evolving, whether it is for political reasons or not. I do respect the fact that you've presented your personal views on 'characters' and 'history' with us, but I just hope no one takes this discussion any further. I believe we are just about sixty years too late to change history.
I'm glad you like my photos! Thank you for taking the time to go through them.
Don't like b&w? Those are often the only colors that I see in! Again, personal preferance. I don't think I've even shot a roll of color film for at least six months! As for Diane Arbus's work, like the quote that I have chosen to put down on my signature. I have much respect for the visions she has put into her work. May be you should take sometime to understand her life, then you might see the reasons why she held that sense of curiosity in people.
I will do a search on Yurie Nagashima when its not 3:20am. Thank you for the suggestions!
Though I have a hard times understanding simplified Chinese myself, but I am not against it. The Chinese have just found their way by evolving, whether it is for political reasons or not. I do respect the fact that you've presented your personal views on 'characters' and 'history' with us, but I just hope no one takes this discussion any further. I believe we are just about sixty years too late to change history.
I'm glad you like my photos!
Thank you for taking the time to go through them.Don't like b&w? Those are often the only colors that I see in!
Again, personal preferance. I don't think I've even shot a roll of color film for at least six months! As for Diane Arbus's work, like the quote that I have chosen to put down on my signature. I have much respect for the visions she has put into her work. May be you should take sometime to understand her life, then you might see the reasons why she held that sense of curiosity in people.I will do a search on Yurie Nagashima when its not 3:20am. Thank you for the suggestions!
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Taipei-metro said:
Can't really compare cos all I've learnt in school was simplified chinese. Colour me stupid but I really could not pick it up there after.
Taipei-metro said:
Yes the English (British actually) left Singapore after the second world war. We are now a sovereign nation. It is not because of the English that we use English (hmm does that make sense?). It is really out of a economic necessity. Singapore has no natural resources and the only way for the country to survive was through trade. (It is probably the same reason we adopted simplified chinese actually.)
It would not have been practical to adopt Chinese as the main trading language. Although there is now a chinese majority in Singapore, remember that the chinese were really early immigrants into Singapore (and Malaysia). The indigenous locals were the Malays.
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Suzums
I agree with you though, maybe I'm colour blind but I have trouble balancing colour. Much easier that it is B+W....
Now go to sleep!
I agree with you though, maybe I'm colour blind but I have trouble balancing colour. Much easier that it is B+W....
Now go to sleep!
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suzums
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nickchew said:
Haha, I was trying to. And now the clock is almost striking four.
I just need to be up in six hours...Taipei-metro
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I shoot color print films in the same reason you do with b n w. B n w is color too.
Why caligraphy is beautifully, because it was written in traditional Chinese.
Japanese used some form of simplified Chinese, somehow they did it a lot better job then the Chinese communist, per a form of art not just for easier to write.
If you learn traditional Chinese you will be able to read the simplified one, BUT not vice versa.
Perfectly understandable why Lee,Kuan-yao took the English road.
If not for General Zheng, Taiwan is S.Africa, and if not for the Americans, Taiwan is Japan.
I think it's the identity. In the U.S. an English fluent Chinese American is still a Chinese.
When you took a certain photo of other human being, you are looking into yourself too. I do not want the one who photograph me is using Ilford.
Did I tell you about I have two Canon Sure shot WP-1,( 6-element 32mm f3.5, a perfect focal length) one is made in China, one made in Taiwan, guess which one I use ALL the time...
Wake up guys, Costco has the Superia x-tra 6 rolls for $6 !!!
Why caligraphy is beautifully, because it was written in traditional Chinese.
Japanese used some form of simplified Chinese, somehow they did it a lot better job then the Chinese communist, per a form of art not just for easier to write.
If you learn traditional Chinese you will be able to read the simplified one, BUT not vice versa.
Perfectly understandable why Lee,Kuan-yao took the English road.
If not for General Zheng, Taiwan is S.Africa, and if not for the Americans, Taiwan is Japan.
I think it's the identity. In the U.S. an English fluent Chinese American is still a Chinese.
When you took a certain photo of other human being, you are looking into yourself too. I do not want the one who photograph me is using Ilford.
Did I tell you about I have two Canon Sure shot WP-1,( 6-element 32mm f3.5, a perfect focal length) one is made in China, one made in Taiwan, guess which one I use ALL the time...
Wake up guys, Costco has the Superia x-tra 6 rolls for $6 !!!