bohdan
-- Physicist
Yes, that is true. I've never really tried to send my M2's light meter in, never saw the point. However, I would think they they would not have the 'whateverthehellitis' that goes bad on them.
Thoughts on the future of the MP ?
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Yes, that is true. I've never really tried to send my M2's light meter in, never saw the point. However, I would think they they would not have the 'whateverthehellitis' that goes bad on them.
sanmich
Veteran
There is no way you can reproduce the manufacturing of every mechanical piece to specs without the original plans.
Canibalism is much more realistic a solution....
Al Kaplan
Veteran
Bohdan, I'm pretty sure that Quality Light-Metric in Hollywood, CA can get the MC or MR meter on your M2 up and running again. They just "made like new" my pair of Weston Master V meters that are almost that old.
bohdan
-- Physicist
Wow
Wow
I will check that out. I was thinking of bringing it to Steve's in Culver City to see what he said. I work in El Segundo, so it is not that far of a ride for me. Thanks a lot, Al.
It's got what I recall being a high/low switch and it only works in one of those modes. I am sure that is something they could fix.
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I will check that out. I was thinking of bringing it to Steve's in Culver City to see what he said. I work in El Segundo, so it is not that far of a ride for me. Thanks a lot, Al.
It's got what I recall being a high/low switch and it only works in one of those modes. I am sure that is something they could fix.
MCTuomey
Veteran
OT: I'm with Al. QLM fixed my two Master IV's last year. Perfect - like new. Highly recommended.
bohdan
-- Physicist
8 years on....
8 years on....
So, I thought I'd revive this thread for a moment. Back then BillBlackwell was speaking of the demise of the M7. Reading through the posts...there was conjecture as to what would happen with the MP.
To me, it was worth noting that the M-A has joined the ranks.
Bohdan
8 years on....
So, I thought I'd revive this thread for a moment. Back then BillBlackwell was speaking of the demise of the M7. Reading through the posts...there was conjecture as to what would happen with the MP.
To me, it was worth noting that the M-A has joined the ranks.
Bohdan
Gregm61
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The infamous, reliable source no one is willing to quote.....sometimes is no real source at all.
Huss
Veteran
Just like the reliable insider source that said only 1% of the Leica M9 series cameras suffered from sensor failures.
F456
Established
Not having been on RFF for a year or more till very recently, I'm interested to know....
(1)... if there is a known current position on production/availability of new film MPs and M7s. A Leica website I was looking at shows them both alongside the current digital Ms and M10s. However I don't see the MP listed in my usual London dealer's new Leica M product pages.
(2)... additionally whether Leica still has available circuit boards or whatever it is that is needed if the electronics fail i.e. the meter in an MP and almost everything in the M7. (I know you can operate both without the cells but I wouldn't want to do that on a long term basis.)
(3)... while on the subject, I read a while ago that there are no remaining circuitboard sets to repair the meters on M6 TTLs. Does anyone know if that applies also to original pre-TTL i.e. turning the other way round, small shutter dial M6s?
(4)... importantly too, whether the MP is a better piece of workmanship and more reliable than M6s or M6TTLs. Any views from first hand comparison and use? I have shot with an M3, M2, M4-P, M6, M6TTL, and M7 but not yet with the modern MP. Thank you.
(1)... if there is a known current position on production/availability of new film MPs and M7s. A Leica website I was looking at shows them both alongside the current digital Ms and M10s. However I don't see the MP listed in my usual London dealer's new Leica M product pages.
(2)... additionally whether Leica still has available circuit boards or whatever it is that is needed if the electronics fail i.e. the meter in an MP and almost everything in the M7. (I know you can operate both without the cells but I wouldn't want to do that on a long term basis.)
(3)... while on the subject, I read a while ago that there are no remaining circuitboard sets to repair the meters on M6 TTLs. Does anyone know if that applies also to original pre-TTL i.e. turning the other way round, small shutter dial M6s?
(4)... importantly too, whether the MP is a better piece of workmanship and more reliable than M6s or M6TTLs. Any views from first hand comparison and use? I have shot with an M3, M2, M4-P, M6, M6TTL, and M7 but not yet with the modern MP. Thank you.
Robert Lai
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A year ago I had the electrical feeler DX film speed reader on my M7 updated by Leica NJ to the IR film speed reader. It was still free. They also had the parts to update the rangefinder to the "flare free" MP version.
As far as I can see, the MP and M7 cameras are still in stock at B&H, at $4550 each.
Bill Blackwell must work for CNN = fake news.
As far as I can see, the MP and M7 cameras are still in stock at B&H, at $4550 each.
Bill Blackwell must work for CNN = fake news.
Huss
Veteran
You may want to contact RFF member tightsqueez. He has literally taken these cameras into combat and if I remember was very disappointed with the unreliability of the MP. I think he much preferred the M4/2/P and M6 series.
I also have heard of quite a few M-A models having quality control issues new out of the box. And it's an MP w/o a meter. Makes you wonder about that little QC slip w signature that Leica packs with each product shipped.
michaelwj
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(1) Still available
(2) I think I remember Leica saying they would make MP parts available for 50 years or something. I don't remember any assurances regarding the M7. And what Leica said then means nothing now of course.
(3) Correct. TTL circuit boards are no longer available. Pre TTL M6's use the same circuit board as the MP I believe and I haven't heard of one not being repaired. The M6 shutter dial interchangeable with the MP (and M-A?) - still available.
(4) Depends what better means. 🙂
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
My M6 pre-TTL has only a left and right arrow for exposure indication, while My M6 TTL and MP both have the arrows plus a center dot that lights for correct exposure. I'd have to question whether the M6 pre-TTL board would have the capability to drive the center dot on the MP. Is it possible it's the TTL board that is the same as the MP's? And not the Pre-TTL?
Huss
Veteran
That sounds far more likely since it is the same. Why would Leica go back to the M6's meter operation when the one in the MP is obviously the same as that in the short lived TTL? As you pointed out with the vf meter readings.
F456
Established
Thoughts on the future of the MP ?
Thank you, everyone.
Tom
Thank you, everyone.
Tom
Leica will keep the MP (or its successor) in production for prestige and PR.
They day they close all film M production will probably be the day they close Leica.
MikeL
Go Fish
It's all about getting a good one. I had multiple troubles with an MP. My impression, and just an impression from one MP, was that the tolerances seemed almost too tight. It felt super solid and precise, but the tightness led to the shutter problems and jam I had. I also had problems with a couple M4s.
When you get one that works, stay with it. I went back to my M6 which feels looser and not as precise. That M6 just keeps on keepin on. I remember thinking how less 'precise' a Nikon SP and S2 felt, and those just kept working too....
ian_watts
Ian Watts
The M6TTL also has TTL flash metering (hence the TTL name). Whilst the metering cells will be distinct within the camera, the circuit boards may well combine functions.
michaelwj
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Surely you could replace both the circuit board and the finder from an MP into an M6?
Skiff
Well-known
This thread is another very good example that it is best to ignore all these 'doom and gloom' members here. They simply know nothing.
I've talked to the responsible Leica M manager (J. von Oeynhausen) at Photokina 2014 and 2016.
The demand for the Leica M film cameras is stable and they will stay in production for many years to come.
Leica expects even a bit increasing demand in the future. That is why they have even added the M-A in 2014 to the M7 and MP models.