Voigtländer 2/50 APO-M mount! PREORDER $999

No one is twisting your arm. Use the lens properly and you see the subtleties. At $999, I'm sure you've spent more on worse and you could always sell the VM 50 APO for almost the same if you're disappointed. Not like its a low-cost TT7fArtisan recyclable.

im sure for 999 i would be ok with some ca like on those huff leica photos but for 7500 i really dont buy it-it is not so challenging situation. i will make same photo for you with ten cheap lenses and i bet half of them will exibit less ca. so that was my point all along-leica users come and talk us their leica stories on other manufacturers page and when we see actual result we see it was actually just a wet dream and we have to change.
 
I have never owned, nor used an APO lens but I have read up about them and know about color fringing and chromatic aberration. In your opinion, what is special about these lenses? I own and use a Zeiss Sonnar 1.5/50 which performs very well. Do you think it would be worthwhile to upgrade? Thanks for your feedback. Cheers, OtL
 
No lens should be considered as an Upgrade to the C-Sonnar.

It's a very different lens from the C-Sonnar.

I'll shoot some comparison shots when the lens arrives.
 
its all over branches-from green to pink... blown highlights yes but she gets aura of color which is just aberration...

That's true but a bright blown out sky with dark branches is the ultimate situation where this occurs. I guess my point is why judge a lens based on a technically bad photograph?
 
I have never owned, nor used an APO lens but I have read up about them and know about color fringing and chromatic aberration. In your opinion, what is special about these lenses? I own and use a Zeiss Sonnar 1.5/50 which performs very well. Do you think it would be worthwhile to upgrade? Thanks for your feedback. Cheers, OtL

It is always hard to evaluate the properties of a lens no one yet owns. LOL. But when before has that stopped me from speculating? You haven't said whether your Sonnar is an older model or one of the newer ones made by CV. If your lens is older, I would expect the modern APO to be higher in contrast. In either case, I'd expect the APO to have less focus shift than the Sonnar. Only you can say whether these design features will matter to you.

As for fringing: These are mainly a problem at larger apertures. I think I have seen purple fringing on test pix by Sean Reid on his reidreviews lens on lenses of all qualities . . . I see it as a property of our digital sensors, but maybe I am wrong about that.
 
Chromatic Aberration should be measured as focus shift across the spectrum from the primary point of focus. Measured at the out-of-focus areas on a blown out Digital image is meaningless, except to decide if you like a lens or not.

APO lenses are best used on a Monochrome Camera or Black and White film. This is where using Color Filters has a big impact on focus.

Pentax 85/4.5 Ultra-Achromatic lens on the M Monochrom, UV and Red filters.





Pentax 50/1.4 Syper-Takumar, converted to M-Mount and RF coupled, on the M Monochrom.

Yellow filter:



Red filter.



Color pencils representing the Spectrum. Roy G Biv. Similar "debate" on LUF 5 years ago- I took these images.

Full res images here:

https://ibb.co/album/tmmWP1

What's the point? Chromatic Aberration causes focus shift similar to Spherical Aberration. On a color camera, some can be eliminated in Post. On a Monochrom camera, it must be eliminated Optically. Most lenses shift towards infinity with deep color filters.

So- this was a 15 minute test of the 50/1.4 Pentax that runs ~$50 and the Pentax 85/4.5 that today cost about the same as the Leica APO-Summicron.

Sidenote: Purple Fringing on a Digital Camera- some can be attributed to IR contamination. I use IR cutfilters on my faster lenses with the M9 to greatly reduce purple fringe.
 
http://www.jenoptik-inc.com/product/uv-vis-105mm-slr-uv-vis-ir-60mm-apo-macro-lenses/

You can also get APO lenses in F-Mount. A bit less expensive than the APO-Summicron, but these are F4 lenses.

Pricing on the APO-Summicron is about what I would expect for a limited production APO lens of an F2 aperture. I'm not spending that much for a 50/2 lens. $1000- How did Cosina do that! I'm going to do some comparisons when I get it, compare with my other APO lenses.
 
That's true but a bright blown out sky with dark branches is the ultimate situation where this occurs. I guess my point is why judge a lens based on a technically bad photograph?

because it doesnt appear in my 100 time cheaper lenses... so whats the point in paying that amount of money? same bad situation with mir 1 i attach under- 70 year old lens...

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If you are going to compare two lenses you need to use the same digital camera or the same film, shooting the same subject, under the same lighting.

My cheapest lens that I use with my Leica is the Industar-26m, $9 and a few hours making it the nicest I-26m that you will ever see. I used silver polish and 3M polishing sheets used for fiber-optic connectors to get it shiny and have super-smooth focus.

Wide-Open.



$9, the APO-Lanthar cost more than 100 times as much. It's not 100 times sharper. I just want a full spectrum of choice for lenses.
 
because it doesnt appear in my 100 time cheaper lenses... so whats the point in paying that amount of money? same bad situation with mir 1 i attach under- 70 year old lens...

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Do note that your sky is not blown out and white...though I agree with your point about that lens. I'd never buy a lens that expensive ...ever, even if it was the best and did everything perfect.
 
I have never owned, nor used an APO lens but I have read up about them and know about color fringing and chromatic aberration. In your opinion, what is special about these lenses?

Contrast on B&W images appears to increase because the wavelengths converge their focus. In color, it is subjective, but they appear 'cleaner' and 'truer'. Other characteristics like bokeh, bokeh CA is subjective but contributes to the overall impression the image leaves. In re: Leica 50 APO the odd phenomenon of the OOF foreground and background at lower contrast while the objects at the plane of focus are amped-up; this is what I found striking in the right situations. Not images with blown out elements or strained lighting as featured above. Those shots are apropos of nothing.


http://www.jenoptik-inc.com/product/uv-vis-105mm-slr-uv-vis-ir-60mm-apo-macro-lenses/
How did Cosina do that! I'm going to do some comparisons when I get it, compare with my other APO lenses.

Good question. At one time, I owned a CV 2,5/125 and deeply regret selling it. The colors were gentle as well as spot-on. It sold new for US$800 back in 2002. The SLI 4/180 was not as well corrected for color but a high-performing lens nonetheless. Cosina's new E-mount APOs are likewise modestly priced and they're probably building on the expertise gained from years of Zeiss optical manufacturing. ?automation
 
I feel obliged to have some blown out highlights now.



My I-26m. This is an early one from 1957. Wide-Open. I like to stress test lenses, this is looking for flare and reflections. Sun at the top, in case you miss it.
A Sonnar would have produced a Rainbow.
 
I have many vented lens hoods... Including 49mm.

Between this lens and the Nokton 50/1.5 V2 M-Mount, I'm set. Just spent the afternoon walking around with the 50/1.5 Asph Nokton LTM and the new one. In January, the comparison will be between the V2 Nokton and this APO lens.
 
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