Bingley
Veteran
I don't have anything wider than 35mm in rf. That focal length seems wide enough most of the time, and I've grown accustomed to it through years of shooting w/ my xa. However, I'm thinking about a 28mm for landscapes, interiors, and oldy-worldy narrow city streets....
I have a 28mm for my SLR kit, and it saved my bacon on a trip to Prague a couple of years ago. Shooting the room from which the Defenestration of Prague occurred (not to mention interiors of churches, palaces, and such) with a 35-105 zoom just didn't cut it. So I wonder whether I should pick up a 28mm for my Canons too. The use of an external viewfinder gives me pause, though. Also, I don't think I've sufficiently mastered the use of my 35 to be able to say that I'm missing a large number of shots I would otherwise have taken because I didn't have a wide enough lens. I feel like my photography needs to develop and improve in order to justify the acquisition of another lens. If I did get a 28, though, it would probably be the CV 3.5/28, because of its compact size, reasonable cost, and I've read that the build quality is also outstanding.
I have a 28mm for my SLR kit, and it saved my bacon on a trip to Prague a couple of years ago. Shooting the room from which the Defenestration of Prague occurred (not to mention interiors of churches, palaces, and such) with a 35-105 zoom just didn't cut it. So I wonder whether I should pick up a 28mm for my Canons too. The use of an external viewfinder gives me pause, though. Also, I don't think I've sufficiently mastered the use of my 35 to be able to say that I'm missing a large number of shots I would otherwise have taken because I didn't have a wide enough lens. I feel like my photography needs to develop and improve in order to justify the acquisition of another lens. If I did get a 28, though, it would probably be the CV 3.5/28, because of its compact size, reasonable cost, and I've read that the build quality is also outstanding.
ampguy
Veteran
28 and 35, but lately have been using 50 (which is 75 on the RD1).
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
25mm ltm Canon lens, it was the widest lens I could find to fit my Leica IIIc many many moons ago.
but it ended up being used on my M3 mostly, for some strange reason.
but it ended up being used on my M3 mostly, for some strange reason.
raid
Dad Photographer
My widest RF lens is the CV 25mm/4 lens but I have used Canon SLR lenses on Leica bodies with an adapter, and here I have wide angle lenses all the way to the 7.5mm lens. For me, the 35mm-85mm range is the heart and soul of rangefinder photography,with the 50mm lens being the leader.
Raid
Raid
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what's the project?
i was thinking that i like what and where i normally photograph, the whyte avenue area in the city i live in, but at times i get stale.
now, i hardly think i have got the ultimate pics from this longest running project and i don't really want to shoot in another part of the city, but i sometimes need to shake things up. (shake me up?)
so i thought that if i used the 25 as my 'normal' lens and then went wider for my 'wide' lens that it might get me looking at the same old things in a different way. either that or all my photos will be crap.
then the question became, which focal length would be wide compared to the 25?
that's where my head is right now.
joe
i was thinking that i like what and where i normally photograph, the whyte avenue area in the city i live in, but at times i get stale.
now, i hardly think i have got the ultimate pics from this longest running project and i don't really want to shoot in another part of the city, but i sometimes need to shake things up. (shake me up?)
so i thought that if i used the 25 as my 'normal' lens and then went wider for my 'wide' lens that it might get me looking at the same old things in a different way. either that or all my photos will be crap.
then the question became, which focal length would be wide compared to the 25?
that's where my head is right now.
joe
robin a
Well-known
35/50mm for me,just really like and think in those fl's.............Robin
Eelco Amsterdam
Established
trrphoto
Newbie
24mm: It is an amazing lens, the sharpness, the depth fo field of foreground to backgorund, its versatility, and the feeling of being close to your sujects, or backing away and being able to include their surroundings in great detail. I am able to photograph action in the foreground, while recording the action in the backgorund as well. This seems to be my standard lens and why not?
I would like to experiment with a 21, but I have to be more careful with distortion--it is a little trickier, since the majority of what you need to photograph needs to be in the center of the frame.
I would like to experiment with a 21, but I have to be more careful with distortion--it is a little trickier, since the majority of what you need to photograph needs to be in the center of the frame.
grainhound
Well-known
It was your brief comment back in a thread about 28s that helped push me over the edge to get the ZM 25mm instead of one of three other options, including the ZM 21. I already had the (much discussed) ‘Cron 35 & had just scored, by sheer luck, a used CV 15mm. It had only taken a half dozen photos, on the Yangtze River. The step between 25 & 21 may be more than the one between 25 & 28, but to me it’s not huge. You have the CV 25 viewfinder. The full area of the finder is very close to what you get with a 21. I checked that at Henry’s - my viewfinder against an SLR zoom set at 20mm. I also had a look at a Leica 21/24/28 viewfinder at Henry’s, when they had one, which confirmed to me that the steps between the 3 lenses isn’t so large, from one FL to the next. Having said that, the actual shooting experience could be different.
Years ago I had a 28 & a 20 for my Nikkormat, & after a while wished I could have afforded to go wider than 20 to complement the 28. Fast forward to my Canon SLR; I got a 28 right away, then a 17 when the opportunity came up, & much preferred that combination to what I’d had with the Nikkormat. For what you pay for it, even new, go with Michael Reichmann’s comment (I paraphrase) that no M mount photographer should be without one. It is so much fun you’ll shoot up a couple of rolls until you force yourself to settle down. Have those buildings defy gravity & lie back on their heels, etc...
The size difference between my Canon 17 & my CV 15 is pretty funny. The CV is hardly more onerous to pack along than two or three rolls of film. I’d agree it’s not for street shooting, but you’ve got the 25 & 35.
When I’m flush, I’ll also get a 21. After, of course the... There’s a monkey named Leica on my back.
See you in Montreal,
Guy
Years ago I had a 28 & a 20 for my Nikkormat, & after a while wished I could have afforded to go wider than 20 to complement the 28. Fast forward to my Canon SLR; I got a 28 right away, then a 17 when the opportunity came up, & much preferred that combination to what I’d had with the Nikkormat. For what you pay for it, even new, go with Michael Reichmann’s comment (I paraphrase) that no M mount photographer should be without one. It is so much fun you’ll shoot up a couple of rolls until you force yourself to settle down. Have those buildings defy gravity & lie back on their heels, etc...
The size difference between my Canon 17 & my CV 15 is pretty funny. The CV is hardly more onerous to pack along than two or three rolls of film. I’d agree it’s not for street shooting, but you’ve got the 25 & 35.
When I’m flush, I’ll also get a 21. After, of course the... There’s a monkey named Leica on my back.
See you in Montreal,
Guy
dostacos
Dan
my widest is the CV 21 the 15 & 12 scare me 
a coupled 25 would be nice, and my new BEAST [35/1.2] is great, but heavy, really heavy compared to my L with the 25
a coupled 25 would be nice, and my new BEAST [35/1.2] is great, but heavy, really heavy compared to my L with the 25
ZeissFan
Veteran
The 15 is almost too wide for many shots. I have the Heliar and a Zeiss Ikon Contarex Hologon.
The Hologon is a cool camera but definitely wouldn't be my first choice as an everyday walkaround lens. However, if you understand the limits of such a wide lens, you can have a lot of fun with it.
Take a look at this page. Some photos are at the bottom of the page.
The Heliar will give you similar results at a fraction of the cost but isn't nearly as cool as the Hologon.
The Hologon is a cool camera but definitely wouldn't be my first choice as an everyday walkaround lens. However, if you understand the limits of such a wide lens, you can have a lot of fun with it.
Take a look at this page. Some photos are at the bottom of the page.
The Heliar will give you similar results at a fraction of the cost but isn't nearly as cool as the Hologon.
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Jonathan_100
Jonathan
I have a 24 for my SLR rig. It's wide enough to suck in a room, but not so wide that people become too distant or too distorted. I also like the long DoF.
Jonathan
Jonathan
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Joe, you just want validation for a new GAS attack, right? 
For me, the 28 is wide enough. Before my trips last year, it was just too wide. After those trips, it's just wide enough.
However, can someone explain to me... why is that a 21mm lens looks so necessary?
For me, the 28 is wide enough. Before my trips last year, it was just too wide. After those trips, it's just wide enough.
However, can someone explain to me... why is that a 21mm lens looks so necessary?
dreamsandart
Well-known
I sold my much used [and loved] 21 Super-Angulon when the 24 Elmarit came out because I could meter with my M6, the all-over image quality, with the R-system I'd just sold the 24 was a favorite lens, and the 24 could be used as an 'everyday' wide being faster (a really usable f2.8), a more 'natural' super wide, and more forgiving with straight horizons and architecture.
But even so, on one of my first trips after getting it I was going to force myself into a minimum 24/50 outfit I chickened out and bought a 35 on my first stop (which as usual got most the the use), and find that about 10 years on its still not used as often as my 21 was. I still hope that maybe it will work its self into more use, but find I'm thinking another 21 again (probably the new Zeiss biogon). 24 is nice on my new R-D1.
But even so, on one of my first trips after getting it I was going to force myself into a minimum 24/50 outfit I chickened out and bought a 35 on my first stop (which as usual got most the the use), and find that about 10 years on its still not used as often as my 21 was. I still hope that maybe it will work its self into more use, but find I'm thinking another 21 again (probably the new Zeiss biogon). 24 is nice on my new R-D1.
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so, flickr has a 15/4.5 group (of course) and i just had a look at it.
good news is i like some of those pics
bad news is there are very few 'street' shots in that group
good news is i like some of those pics
bad news is there are very few 'street' shots in that group
sf
Veteran
my 45mm RF645 lens is my widest because I can't find a 15mm CV setup at a decently low price.
pvdhaar
Peter
Widest is a 25.. Basically it's a compromise between cost and what you get for it. When you want to go wider, prices increase steeply..
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
My widest RF lens is a 28mm. Why? Because anything wider is just a gimmick. 
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If you really want to shake things up, Joe, a 15mm should do it! I admit I seldom use mine. I'm mostly into 28 plus 35/40 but that could as easily be 25 plus 35/40 given RF coupling and a built-in 25 viewfinder. I like 25 and 28 as they are flexible and not too extreme.
I think 21 is the borderline of sanity. If you're careful and disciplined it can be a very wide and useful lens. You can go bonkers with it too, and then it's a super-wide! It's hard to maintian any sanity with the 15, IMHO.
Ok, I have the 15, and then a 4/20mm Flektogon for the Pentax, the 2.8/21mm Biogon for Contax-G, and the 4/22mm equivalent (45mm) for Pentax 67. None of these get a lot of use, but that lovely Biogon was what sucked me into the Contax G2 system, the main justification. Too fine a lens at too low a price to pass up even factoring in the body to put it on. Of these wide lenses it's the one I use the most.
I think 21 is the borderline of sanity. If you're careful and disciplined it can be a very wide and useful lens. You can go bonkers with it too, and then it's a super-wide! It's hard to maintian any sanity with the 15, IMHO.
Ok, I have the 15, and then a 4/20mm Flektogon for the Pentax, the 2.8/21mm Biogon for Contax-G, and the 4/22mm equivalent (45mm) for Pentax 67. None of these get a lot of use, but that lovely Biogon was what sucked me into the Contax G2 system, the main justification. Too fine a lens at too low a price to pass up even factoring in the body to put it on. Of these wide lenses it's the one I use the most.
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aizan
Veteran
28mm. just not interested in anything wider. not even koudelka or callahan can get me excited about it.
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