What they will do though, without any doubt, is become irrepairable paperweights/bookends/doorstops/landfill long before any of the aforementioned optical/mechanical marvels.
Yes, they are tools and if used at a decent rate they pay for themselves since you do not buy film for them.
redisburning
Well-known
you must have a hell of a scanner if you can match 36mp FF digital with 120 much less 35mm.
dabick42
Well-known
@ redisburning...
Eventually, cameras will likely have sensors in the hundreds, perhaps thousands of megapixels - who can forecast ?
It doesn't matter a jot, they still won't take ''better'' photographs. Only the photographer's brain can do that....
Eventually, cameras will likely have sensors in the hundreds, perhaps thousands of megapixels - who can forecast ?
It doesn't matter a jot, they still won't take ''better'' photographs. Only the photographer's brain can do that....
TheGodParticle
Well-known
Sony, a company without a real history in photography, tries to get a grip on users that like cameras like this. It is a bet almost certain lost.
(yeap, I don't like it, I'd rather that Nikon FM2 alike).
Minor thing you're overlooking - Sony make some of the best camera sensors available in the market today
They must know a thing or two better ... Than most of the other players?
redisburning
Well-known
@ redisburning...
It doesn't matter a jot, they still won't take ''better'' photographs. Only the photographer's brain can do that....
I mean I got a book about the glass flowers owned by Harvard taken all on 4x5 slides and stuff like that definitely is made better by technical image quality.
some photography legitimately IS about technical image quality.
dabick42
Well-known
@ redisburning....
I agree that in certain specialised circumstances, heightened technical image quality, as made possible (and easier !) by large negatives/high pixel count sensors can be desirable but how often in real life is it really necessary ?
After all, John Shaw's work with 35mm Nikon SLR's show what can be done with the small film format when used with skill and talent....
I agree that in certain specialised circumstances, heightened technical image quality, as made possible (and easier !) by large negatives/high pixel count sensors can be desirable but how often in real life is it really necessary ?
After all, John Shaw's work with 35mm Nikon SLR's show what can be done with the small film format when used with skill and talent....
uhoh7
Veteran
Industar 61 on a7 (not r)
Krzysztof Szablisty
btw, a7r is sold out till Jan at many outlets, supposedly.


Krzysztof Szablisty

btw, a7r is sold out till Jan at many outlets, supposedly.
rbelyell
Well-known
well thats what technology can do, take a nothing picture and make it look pretty damned good.
its such a downer reading these threads, and realising how 'unenthusiastic' are camera 'enthusiasts' whenever a new product is released. its always about putting it down, tamping enthusiasm, what it cant do, why its not better than i have now, and how real photgraphers make magic with a pinhole poked through dog poop. whats wrong with enjoying the advances of technology, looking forward to them and embracing them with 'enthusiasm'? maybe the latest isnt right for you, but how about seeing past that to why it might be right for lots of others?!
honestly, this thread should be entitlled 'im sitting in a yurt listening to my walkman and cleaning my behind with a leaf--who's with me'?
i'm tuning this out and instead venturing forth to take pictures with dog poop...
its such a downer reading these threads, and realising how 'unenthusiastic' are camera 'enthusiasts' whenever a new product is released. its always about putting it down, tamping enthusiasm, what it cant do, why its not better than i have now, and how real photgraphers make magic with a pinhole poked through dog poop. whats wrong with enjoying the advances of technology, looking forward to them and embracing them with 'enthusiasm'? maybe the latest isnt right for you, but how about seeing past that to why it might be right for lots of others?!
honestly, this thread should be entitlled 'im sitting in a yurt listening to my walkman and cleaning my behind with a leaf--who's with me'?
i'm tuning this out and instead venturing forth to take pictures with dog poop...
uhoh7
Veteran
well thats what technology can do, take a nothing picture and make it look pretty damned good.
something I count on every day
burancap
Veteran
The A7r is actually the best IQ you can get before going to MF and it's 2300 USD, how is this not like the greatest thing ever, exactly?
I'd back any Sigma DP (pre-Merrill too) in this fight ... and my training costs will be a mere fraction!
uhoh7
Veteran
LOL Ken, u gettin this?honestly, this thread should be entitlled 'im sitting in a yurt listening to my walkman and cleaning my behind with a leaf--who's with me'?
one of the funniest posts I've seen ever, and highly accurate.
This camera has your wit very very sharp
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
What's with some of you? I expressed a lack of enthusiasm that Sony abandoned the rangefinderlike form factor of the NEX7 for a central VF hump. Certain members are acting like I raped their cat and peed in the corner of their living room.
And I wonder why I don't come here very often anymore.
And I wonder why I don't come here very often anymore.
bwcolor
Veteran
Pretty sure that the hump was needed to house the EVF given that the body contains a larger sensor and electronics. I've the A7r on order and will cancel should reviews undermine my enthusiasm. Right now, the hump is of no real concern to me. My NEX-7 and 6 are nothing like my rangefinders. The X 100 gets a bit closer.
Adanac
Well-known
The hump has another potential benefit for some of us: left-eye shooters might find their nose doesn't end up smudging the rear LCD.
For me the shape of the camera is fine. It's about the same shape and size as a small film SLR like the Contax 139 I'm looking at right now.
For me the shape of the camera is fine. It's about the same shape and size as a small film SLR like the Contax 139 I'm looking at right now.
geertvn
Established
As a left eyed shooter and wearing glasses, I like rangefinder style much better. On an slr style body I can hardly use any button on the back of a camera.
rbelyell
Well-known
anybody understand the last few posts???
Ranchu
Veteran
Word, yo. Word.
aizan
Veteran
trash talking about cameras just isn't as manly or as innocuous as doing the same about sports.
Ranchu
Veteran
trash talking about cameras just isn't as manly or as innocuous as doing the same about sports.
Dry hair is for squids, yo.
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uhoh7
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lolDry hair is for squids, yo.
to the pure go the peas.
to the smug, add potatoes.
to the wide-eyed: I give you salsa!
Dying words of Alfred Shea Addis.
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