v3cron
Well-known
Yes, it's really surprising and unconscionable that companies should adopt corporate strategies designed to secure their future or enhance business. They definitely should be punished.
—Mitch Alland
Shophouse Demolition
then don't insult me by mimicking the looks of a camera that is 100x better.
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semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
I don't appreciate these manufacturers coming along and discontinuing all of their good films (like Fuji just did)...
Hyperbole, much?
Anyway, this merely means that you did not buy enough of them. It's all your fault.
v3cron
Well-known
Hyperbole, much?
Anyway, this merely means that you did not buy enough of them. It's all your fault.
oh, i bought plenty. i haven't used a non-fuji color film in years.
all of their 800 speed and 1600 speed films are gone. not a hyperbole. they were pretty unique and not easily replaceable . certainly not by a cam with a cheesy facade.
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Alpacaman
keen bean
then don't insult me by mimicking the looks of a camera that is 100x better.
Why do we care what it looks like? Surely the traditional control scheme (which makes up most of the 'retro' look) is a step forward for a P&S? It is all subjective, remember.
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semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
oh, i bought plenty. i haven't used a non-fuji color film in years.
all of their 800 speed and 1600 speed films are gone. not a hyperbole. they were pretty unique and not easily replaceable . certainly not by a cam with a cheesy facade.
That is not all of Fuji's good films. It's a subset, and it's not even the subset of their best films, IMO.
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semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Think I should call the waaaahmbulance?
say it with flowers
Newbie
all of their 800 speed and 1600 speed films are gone. not a hyperbole. they were pretty unique and not easily replaceable . certainly not by a cam with a cheesy facade.
wait, when did this happen? do you have a source for this?
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Well-known
Sounds like you're easily insulted. Me? I have other things to worry about in life.then don't insult me by mimicking the looks of a camera that is 100x better.
—Mitch/Bangkok
Scratching the Surface
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cam
the need for speed
Yes, it's really surprising and unconscionable that companies should adopt corporate strategies designed to secure their future or enhance business. They definitely should be punished.
most definitely!
v3cron
Well-known
wait, when did this happen? do you have a source for this?
Yes. Fuji, on the phone last month.
I was alarmed that B&H had listed some of these as gone, so I called to confirm. Sadness followed, now it's obviously turned to rage. rawr!
But really, am I really the only one who sees this as pandering?
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You don't sound as if you're talking from experience but from theory. In posts #1188 and #1201, I stated that in my experience the 21mm wide-converters for the Ricoh GRD2 and GRD3 cameras did not degrade the image and even maintaided the maximum aperture of the base lens. Indeed, I was surprised to see how good they are, having always thought that lens converters were infra dig — but using them I found that their quality can be compared to the Elmarit-21 ASPH lens....I have to say a fixed lens camera for a $1000 is a little hard to justify especially when there is no information about lens quality, sensor quality and general performance of the camera. A lens adopter over the existing lens has been around for P&S cameras but still its glass-over-glass no matter how negligible the image quality degradation...
Really? No, most people want to be able to change lenses to use different focal lengths.But most importantly changing of a lens is not usually about focal length, more often it is upgrading to a better quality lens, which in case of a fixed lens camera is impossible...
—Mitch/Bangkok
Bangkok Hysteria Book Project
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Please take your rage and rant elsewhere; this thread is not about film, or disappointement over products discontinued, but about the planned new Fuji X100 and related issues. Just enjoy the topic, if you can.Yes. Fuji, on the phone last month.
I was alarmed that B&H had listed some of these as gone, so I called to confirm. Sadness followed, now it's obviously turned to rage. rawr!
But really, am I really the only one who sees this as pandering?
v3cron
Well-known
Please take your rage and rant elsewhere; this thread is not about film, or disappointement over products discontinued, but about the planned new Fuji X100 and related issues. Just enjoy the topic, if you can.![]()
I don't think it's off-topic to point out the condescending nature of the product's styling, especially in light of their recent film decisions.
dazedgonebye
Veteran
I don't think it's off-topic to point out the condescending nature of the product's styling, especially in light of their recent film decisions.
Introducing a product that ticks off just about everything on my list of wanna haves in this type of camera...that kind of condescension I could use a great deal more of.
Console yourself with the 6x7 film cameras they've recently introduced.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Introducing a product that ticks off just about everything on my list of wanna haves in this type of camera...that kind of condescension I could use a great deal more of.
^------- +1, with spirit.
maggieo
More Deadly
Introducing a product that ticks off just about everything on my list of wanna haves in this type of camera...that kind of condescension I could use a great deal more of.
Console yourself with the 6x7 film cameras they've recently introduced.
^------- +1, with spirit.
Yes, that. Exactly.
Cameras that look and work like cameras. I really like that.
ElectroWNED
Well-known
I'll buy this camera...
When, in 10 months, five competitors have released better cameras with interchangeable lenses and larger sensors-- and the price has dropped $500.
When, in 10 months, five competitors have released better cameras with interchangeable lenses and larger sensors-- and the price has dropped $500.
BillBingham2
Registered User
.......As it was I had to sell the great AIS 180/2.8 ED to make tuition one year :-(.
I feel your pain. I sold two Leica M, LOT of M and LTM glass, five Bessas and a couple of Nikon F2s and a S3 kit two years back. It helped pay for food, mortgage and health insurance after we went through our 401Ks during a long bout of unemployment. It sucks but the alternative sucked a lot more.
B2 (;->
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
I feel your pain. I sold two Leica M, LOT of M and LTM glass, five Bessas and a couple of Nikon F2s and a S3 kit two years back. It helped pay for food, mortgage and health insurance after we went through our 401Ks during a long bout of unemployment. It sucks but the alternative sucked a lot more.
B2 (;->
In the end it's only stuff, that we were lucky enough to have while we had it. ;-)
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
I'll buy this camera...
When, in 10 months, five competitors have released better cameras with interchangeable lenses and larger sensors-- and the price has dropped $500.
That's a nice dream. I hope it comes true. But given that up to now NO ONE but Father Leica has gotten the VF right... and I can't think of a comparable APS-C camera + lens, even in the mature DSLR space, that comes in at that price point.
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