Fujifilm X-Pro1 details leaked!!!

[dogbunny]

There's no such thing as a "randomized pattern".

A pattern describes a repeatable, array while random means the exact opposite.

How do you compute a rendered image if you have no idea what pixels record the photon counts for R, G or B as the R, G, B photsite geometry is unpredictable - i.e. random?

Think snowflakes 🙄

 

[rxmd]

There's no such thing as a "randomized pattern".

A pattern describes a repeatable, array while random means the exact opposite.

How do you compute a rendered image if you have no idea what pixels record the photon counts for R, G or B as the R, G, B photsite geometry is unpredictable - i.e. random?

A Bayer sensor contains several photosites (usually R, G, B) for each pixel. In this sensor it looks like there are 6 per pixel. The distribution of these R, G and B photosites can be fixed (the same pattern of R, G and B photosites corresponding to each pixel across the entire sensor) or it can be randomized. The idea behind a randomized distribution seems to be that the whole thing is less susceptible to moiré afterwards.

 

[Pete B]

There's no such thing as a "randomized pattern".

A pattern describes a repeatable, array while random means the exact opposite.

How do you compute a rendered image if you have no idea what pixels record the photon counts for R, G or B as the R, G, B photsite geometry is unpredictable - i.e. random?

Oh, God! I bet I get the one with no red receptors 😀
Pete

 

[Paul T.]

There's no such thing as a "randomized pattern".

A pattern describes a repeatable, array while random means the exact opposite.

How do you compute a rendered image if you have no idea what pixels record the photon counts for R, G or B as the R, G, B photsite geometry is unpredictable - i.e. random?

Actually, might be worth thinking about the difference between the words "random" and "randomized"!

(but I'm sure your correction was kindly-meant 🙂 )

 

[tbarker13]

So, let's see. I can sell a D7000 and 35/1.4 lens and have almost enough cash to buy this new camera and 2-3 lenses.
I don't know that I can part with my D700/Sigma 85/1.4 combo for portraits. But I'd sure love to get back to a small walking-around kit that doesn't weigh a ton and cost even more.

 

[rxmd]

So, let's see. I can sell a D7000 and 35/1.4 lens and have almost enough cash to buy this new camera and 2-3 lenses.
I don't know that I can part with my D700/Sigma 85/1.4 combo for portraits. But I'd sure love to get back to a small walking-around kit that doesn't weigh a ton and cost even more.

Better wait for it to actually appear. At this point it's much too early to start speculating what gear you'd sell to buy this one, IMHO.

 

[splitimageview]

This from the PR should address the 'random' issue:

X-Pro1 sets new standards in image resolution

For this camera, Fujifilm has developed a new CMOS sensor called X-TransTM CMOSTM which is able to provide a response similar to that of a sensor "full frame".
The new array (CFA - Color Filter Array) opens the way for an ideal sensor that does not require an optical low-pass filter. This filter is in fact essential for the reduction of false colors and moiré generated by conventional sensors, but at the same time, also degrades the resolution. Fujifilm has developed a new matrix that is inspired by the CFA random arrangement of the grain in the film, eliminating the need for optical low-pass filter to solve the problems of false colors and moiré. In the matrix, RGB pixels are arranged in groups of 6x6 pixels with high aperiodicity (randomness). Increasing the degree of randomness eliminates the root cause of the false color and moiré, a problem that occurs in conventional matrix elements during the filming of rows and other repeating patterns. The presence of a pixel R, G and B in each series of horizontal and vertical pixels minimizes the generation of false colors and provides superior color reproduction themselves.
The use of a matrix inspired by the film has necessitated a more powerful processor to process image data for this FUJIFILM EXR Processor Pro has created this project to optimize the potential of the Trans-X sensor CMOSTM providing high speed and high-precision image processing.

 

[noimmunity]

Looking at the leaked specs (is that speculation or specifications, haha!):

1) 1/3 exp comp (makes this a natural for adapted ZM lenses)
2) no mention of M mount bayonet option
3) no mention of MF
4) VF has two mag modes. No indication of how this is engaged...

Looks very cool.

 

[tbarker13]

Better wait for it to actually appear. At this point it's much too early to start speculating what gear you'd sell to buy this one, IMHO.

I'm always thinking about this sort of thing. I only sold my X100 because of its fixed-lens nature. So I have a considerable confidence in this new camera being something I'll like.

 

[jsrockit]

I'm always thinking about this sort of thing. I only sold my X100 because of its fixed-lens nature. So I have a considerable confidence in this new camera being something I'll like.

Exactly...happy Fuji X100 users can buy with confidence. I, for one, hope it can't accept M lenses... (I'm just being evil). 😉

 

[tbarker13]

Exactly...happy Fuji X100 users can buy with confidence. I, for one, hope it can't accept M lenses... (I'm just being evil). 😉

Now that is evil.😉 I'm still hoping I'll be able to use M lenses on it. In truth, I only have one such lens left - actually a LTM J-3 that I couldn't bring myself to sell when I sent my Leica kit off to new homes.
I'd love to use that for portraits on the new Fuji camera if it's possible.

 

[Paddy C]

Having picked up a NEX 5N prior to Christmas (thinking that that the Fuji was going to be more than I wanted to spend...it is) I'm now hit with GAS.

It really is a good looking kit (in all regards).

But I shall wait.

 

[jsrockit]

Interesting VF info:

"When mounting a Fujinon lens on the X Series XF-Pro1 in the viewfinder magnification and size of the light frame automatically change to support its focal length. The viewfinder magnification, equal to 0.37 for x and 0.60 x 18mm lens for the 35mm and 60mm, allows you to compose the scene with the brilliant optical clarity and sharpness of an image. The X-Pro1 also gives the freedom to manually set the focal distance and switch to another magnification of the viewfinder."

Read more on PhotoRumors.com: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/09/fuji-x-pro-1-press-release/#ixzz1izDpsLu5

 

[intheviewfinder]

I've been patiently waiting for some rear views. Where the heck are they?
The earlier cleanroom photos seem to indicate a nice improvement to the thumbwheel.

 

[exiled4979]

maybe so, but some things just dont 'suit your eye'. i dont like 28 or 50, but consider 35-40mm essential for my personal enjoyment. probably doesnt make sense in a 'scientific' way, but ive always thought of photography as more of an 'art' thing...you cant really pin down why one FL suits you and another doesnt.

I agree, completely, it's definitely more about how you feel and art, then pure numbers.

But, truth is that 28vs35 is not much of a problem, and I'm sure fuji will push another 35mm ekv. for the new system, just not right away on the count of x100...

unless they're really counting on the whole "2 cameras per person" idea, so you'd take your x100 AND another camera with you... this might be cool and real retro, but, not really practical 🙂

 

[exiled4979]

Plus added perspective distortion and more depth of field...

in theory, yes... but, real world difference is really next to nothing, unless we're talking about some serious lens distortions... the other day I took out e-p1 and 14-48 zoom just to see what actual, practical difference is... really, really next to nothing, I could easily take 28mm instead of 35mm any day, and I consider 35mm to be The Focal Length 🙂

 

[jarski]

Fuji might (or, probably) bring 35mm equiv. lens later! 🙂

 

[Rogier]

Dimentions

Dimentions

Leica M is very close to Fuji X-Pro 1 dimensions. But lighter...

Fuji X-Pro 1
Dimensions:
(W x D x H) 139.5 x 42.5 x 81.8 mm
(W x D x H) 5.5 x 1.7 x 3.2 inch
Weight Approx. 450g / 15.9 oz. (including battery ) and memory card)


Leica M9
(W x D x H) 139 x 37 x 80 mm
(W x D x H) 51.5 x 1.5 x 3.25inch
M9 585 g (20.6 oz), M9-P 600 g (21.2 oz).

 

[jsrockit]

in theory, yes... but, real world difference is really next to nothing, unless we're talking about some serious lens distortions... the other day I took out e-p1 and 14-48 zoom just to see what actual, practical difference is... really, really next to nothing, I could easily take 28mm instead of 35mm any day, and I consider 35mm to be The Focal Length 🙂

Not only in theory... in reality for some. I cannot swap 28mm for 35mm, but I seem to be more sensitive to focal lengths then some. I truly think there is a huge difference between 35mm and 50mm too. I start to notice perspective distortion on 28mm lenses, not as much on 35mm. Of course, this depends on what you photograph. I photograph a lot of straight lines.

 

[jsrockit]

I've been patiently waiting for some rear views. Where the heck are they?
The earlier cleanroom photos seem to indicate a nice improvement to the thumbwheel.

1 more hour or so and it'll be official...then you will get them.