Honestly is hard, especially if you see what I got in the mail!

Interesting, the price of honor and respect=$800 for some. Seems a tad cheap to me.

Navilluspm, I like you and what you did.
 
Honesty will help you sleep and feel good, as for Karma ? Ive seen many bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people to believe in karma.


Good on you for letting them know, ball's in their court now.
 
George S. said:
What if they didn't even realize they took in an F2 in trade along with several other pieces and only gave the customer $75 credit for the lens toward his new purchase?
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... and if that is what happened, do you think they will track him down and give him more money?
 
NickTrop said:
I would have totally kept it, and kept quite about it. Someone with Integrity is an longer phrase for sucka.
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What was your eBay id again? You don't sell anything on eBay, do you? I mean, just looking out for #1 here.
 
BillP said:
George, this isn't up for debate. The OP is doing the right thing. Nothing else enters into the equation.

Regards,

Bill
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Hear hear.
David

(Edit) & anyone can be honest when it's easy to be honest, or when it suits them. D
 
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Good for you. I hope KEH will reward your honesty. I purchased a software upgrade using the serial number. The upgrade software said "YES". When I received the upgrade, I shouldn't have. I called and related the story. Their response was "What is your serial number?". They then gave me a $500.00 upgrade for free. Honesty pays.
 
Everyone has a threshold of "honesty".

It's a function of preserving your DNA vs what you perceive as feel good dopamine levels that bolster your ego for preserving the "group good". It's the tribal part of your cortex.

Eventually, you will reach a level where the amount of possible personal gain will trump common good and you will accept the benefit, no matter how "ill gotten".

Karma is a fiction. All good boys deserve favor and sinners go to hell.

Operate outside your programming.
 
M. Valdemar said:
Everyone has a threshold of "honesty".

It's a function of preserving your DNA vs what you perceive as feel good dopamine levels that bolster your ego for preserving the "group good". It's the tribal part of your cortex.

Eventually, you will reach a level where the amount of possible personal gain will trump common good and you will accept the benefit, no matter how "ill gotten".

Karma is a fiction. All good boys deserve favor and sinners go to hell.

Operate outside your programming.
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Selfishness is a virtue. Failing to recognize that contributing to a well-running social construct is a direct benefit to the self is insufficient selfishness. I want what I want for ME. To get that, I am willing to function as part of a society. Failing to behave in a manner constructive to society is counter-intuitive to the enlightened selfish person.

I did R.A.W, Antero Alli, Objectivism, energized meditation, and nootropics until the top of my head came off. I went through the tunnel, killed the buddha, and reprogrammed my meta-construct along the way.

Karma is fiction, I agree. The reward is unknown. Subscribing to the reality paradigm with understanding and intention is not giving in.

Everything furthers, Hexagram 23, breaking apart, no blame.

/s/

The John Dillinger Died for You Society
 
George S. said:
Yeah, I was just going to point out that they probably had it mislabeled all along, so they didn't even know they had an F2. If you had just kept quiet, no one would have ever known. Now, the guy who took the lens in and mismarked it, AND the poor sap in the packing room are looking for another job!

What if they didn't even realize they took in an F2 in trade along with several other pieces and only gave the customer $75 credit for the lens toward his new purchase? Maybe they thought it was a 2.8 all along? Since that is a real possibility, I would have kept quiet about it.
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Good Karma, gone bad.
 
Well, there is scientific analysis of morality viewed dispassionately and then there is schizophrenia, with a dash of the I-Ching and fortune cookie reading thrown in.

Internet forums allow one to visit Bedlam from one's armchair.


bmattock said:
I did R.A.W, Antero Alli, Objectivism, energized meditation, and nootropics until the top of my head came off. I went through the tunnel, killed the buddha, and reprogrammed my meta-construct along the way.

Karma is fiction, I agree. The reward is unknown. Subscribing to the reality paradigm with understanding and intention is not giving in.

Everything furthers, Hexagram 23, breaking apart, no blame.

/s/

The John Dillinger Died for You Society
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Welllllll.....

Welllllll.....

M. Valdemar said:
Everyone has a threshold of "honesty".

It's a function of preserving your DNA vs what you perceive as feel good dopamine levels that bolster your ego for preserving the "group good". It's the tribal part of your cortex.

Eventually, you will reach a level where the amount of possible personal gain will trump common good and you will accept the benefit, no matter how "ill gotten".

Karma is a fiction. All good boys deserve favor and sinners go to hell.

Operate outside your programming.
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I look at it some what more me centric than just being a good boy or going to hell. I want to treat people with the same respect as I want them to treat me, or my wife or my sons, mother or sister (dad died years ago). Nothing less will do. Now if they want to treat me better, I'm always happy to learn.

Simple equation to work, fast and clean and always come out with an even number.

B2 (;->
 
You paid for goods, they sent the goods. Are you happy with them? If so, keep them. How come "let the buyer beware" is such a one way street?
 
Here is my thought process for any online purchase I make:

You bought an item. You received an item. Are you satisfied with the item?

Yes? Keep it.

No? Return it.

Any discussion beyond that is more than I care to partake in on a anonymous photography forum. Everyone has their own set of morals and values, and I don't impose mine, nor do I judge others.
 
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you did the right thing. tis nice to know that some honesty still exists on the internet.

I've personally dealt with KEH since 2001, (arthur, ken, etc) and they're nice people. Actually, give them a call again, and ask for arthur. I think he's one of the in-charges there, and should be able to work something out with you.

once again, well done. :)
 
I once received an extra lens from a supplier. They split my shipment because one of the lenses was on order, but ended up sending it to me twice. Obviously I sent the extra one back.

There was a clear contract here, an exchange of money for a particular item. The OP behaved morally but there is a temptation to behave immorally and rationalize after the fact that there was no victim or that no-one else deserves the windfall. A society can support a certain amount of this rogueish behaviour with little damage to it.

People behave on a large scale of personal integrity and it may vary from issue to issue, even day to day.

I can tell you that if enough people are far enough down the scale the social contract starts to disingtegrate, corruption becomes "just the way things are done" and a country can become a terrible place to live in. Those who are lucky enough to have the option leave in droves.

When one behaves in a moral fashion that runs contrary to one's immediate self interest it is very natural to want to tell people about it and have them reward you with approval.

To the OP. You have mine sir. Bravo.
 
KEH made a mistake and one of their customers got a nicer lens than he had paid for. Everyone has lauded the honesty of KEH and told the customer he did the right thing. I agree that he did. However, I question the honesty of KEH. Let's turn this around and look at it from the other side. My question is this: If the people at KEH had made another mistake and thought they had bought a cheaper lens, would they make an effort to find the customer and give him more money, or would they just keep their mouths shut and congratulate themselves on having made a really good deal? Call me a cynic, but I think that the person who sold them the lens would never see another dime from them. Are we so used to being taken advantage of, does this really count as honesty?
 
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